Guardian 30,072 / Enigmatist

It’s Enigmatist!

Looking through the archive, I find that it’s almost exactly a year since I blogged an Enigmatist puzzle. I have not attempted to solve one since then, having finally decided that they are, generally, beyond me. When I looked, shortly after midnight, to see what was in store for me, my immediate reaction was to call in sick but I decided to have a quick look before trying to get some sleep and somehow, I just seemed to keep going.

I found it a bit of a mixture. About a dozen of the clues were really straightforward but some others were completely unsolvable and, when revealed, remained a complete mystery; there are yet others where I can see tantalising bits of the parsing but just can’t piece them together. As last time, to save you searching through the blog I’ll list here the instances where I failed in solving and / or parsing: 11a, 15ac, 23ac, 7dn and 18dn. As always, my thanks in advance for the help, with my usual plea for avoidance of repetition (posting simply to agree with others – last time there were 150 comments!) – and apologies for my failings. I won’t list favourites, since I’m sure that some of the above would be included, if I’d managed to see them.

My thanks to Enigmatist – I did enjoy what I could do!

Definitions are underlined in the clues.

 

 

Across

1 Accompanied by star, left behind with knowledge of Glasgow sports venue (10,4)
KENNINGTON OVAL
KENNING (Scottish for ‘knowing’, so ‘with knowledge of Glasgow’) + TO (?) + NOVA (star) + L )left)
Venue for Surrey County Cricket Club

8 Regretful of £1000 deposited after bankruptcy (5)
RUING
RUIN (bankruptcy) + G (£1000)

9 Discarded top class team (3-5)
SET-ASIDE
SET A (top class) + SIDE (team)

11 Solo turn by crossword guru touring centre of 1ac? (7)
CADENZA
I can see a reversal (turn) of AZED (crossword guru) in here but can’t see the rest

12 Maximum and minimum values taken out of context, remarkably (7)
EXTREMA
Hidden in contEXT REMArkably

13 Change location of union meeting in telephone call? (5)
ALTER
Sounds like (in telephone call) ‘altar’ (location of union meeting)

15 Under a great burden, Ms Viner perhaps, with work (9)
OPPRESSED
OP (work) + PRESSED ???

17 An essential for burner of midnight oil hit spot (9)
LAMPLIGHT
LAM (hit) + PLIGHT (spot)

20 Guiltless about Jack Sprat’s diet, it’s implied (5)
CLEAN
C (about) + LEAN (Jack Sprat’s implied diet – he ‘could eat no fat’)

21 Arctic resident worked in retirement with supercomputer (7)
NARWHAL
A reversal (in retirement) of RAN (worked) + W (with) + HAL (supercomputer)

23 Cheese production initially stops its run (7)
SAPSAGO

25 Dodge section that is recording (8)
SIDESTEP
S (section) + ID EST (that is) + EP (recording)

26 Forest dweller there – fearfully symmetrical, according to recital (5)
TAIGA
I learned this word long ago, from crosswords – sounds like (according to recital) ‘tiger / tyger’ – a clever reference to the ‘dweller there’ in Blake’s poem:

“Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?”

27 Planet’s reporter takes chorus on leave, on the way to the Proms? (10,4)
KENSINGTON GORE
(Clark) KENT (Planet’s reporter) round SING (chorus) + GO (leave) + RE (on)
The site of the Royal Albert Hall, venue for the Proms

 

Down

1 Charles and his mum in dust-up about constant sleazy activity (4,8)
KERB CRAWLING
KING (Charles) with ER (his mum) in BRAWL (bust-up) round C (constant)

2 Water nymph transformed by Diana (5)
NAIAD
An anagram (transformed) of DIANA

3 Mostly where soldiers are trained to place their trust (2,7)
IN GENERAL
Cryptic definition

4 Harsh and unscrupulous activity, seizing racy tapes (7)
GESTAPO
GO (activity) round an anagram (racy) of TAPES – Chambers lists this as an adjective

5 Awfully sick after leaving new soup kitchen, getting better (2,3,2)
ON THE UP
An anagram (awfully) of SOUP KITCHEN minus ‘sick’

6 Start rolling the cameras here (5)
ONSET
ON SET – where the cameras roll

7 Notices surrounding hip-hop doctor’s name on envelope (9)
ADDRESSEE
ADS (notices) … DR (doctor) …

10 Sorcerer welcomes assistance getting diplomat initial crossing? (6,6)
MAIDEN VOYAGE
MAGE (sorcerer) round AID (assistance) + ENVOY (diplomat) – I liked this one

14 Actor suggesting a spot of 1dn? (3,6)
TOM CRUISE
Cryptic definition, tom being slang for prostitute

16 Sort of alpine act a daring climb? (2,7)
EL CAPITAN
An anagram (sort of) of ALPINE ACT

18 It’s a bit gluey getting up on a cycle (7)
GELATIN

19 Old drunkard beats wino up (7)
TOSSPOT
A reversal (up) of TOPS (beats) + SOT (wino) – this raised a smile

22 Spurs are improving, reportedly (still in need of work) (5)
HEELS
Sounds like (reportedly) ‘heal’ (are improving) + S[till] minus ’till’ (work – on the land) – I think

24 Friend is one shot (5)
AMIGO
AM I (is one) + GO (shot)

82 comments on “Guardian 30,072 / Enigmatist”

  1. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    CADENZA
    AZED (crossword guru)
    Around
    Centre of 1=centre of one=N
    AZNED+AC (from the surface 1ac)
    Turn the above

    SAPSAGO
    its=it+it=SASA
    P in SASA
    +GO (run)

    ADDRESSEE
    AD, SEE notces
    DRES hip-hop doctor’s

    GELATIN
    ELATING (getting up) cycled

    OPPRESSED
    Struggling …
    PRESS ED(itor)?
    Viner is Chief Editor tho


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  3. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    Ms Viner is the Guardian editor, hence a PRESS-ED

  4. Mike's avatar
    Mike

    7d is I think a reference to Dr Dre. So ‘doctor’s’ is DRES in AD plus SEE

  5. Mike's avatar
    Mike

    17 a I had LAMP for ‘hits and (spot) LIGHT

  6. NGA's avatar
    NGA

    ADDRESSEE
    ads and see two types of notice around DRE as in Dr Dre a hiphop musical artist

  7. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    KENNINGTON OVAL
    accompanied by=TO

    KERB CRAWLING
    I had this…(not sure I am right)
    Charles=K
    his mum=ER
    in dust-up=BRAWLING
    about C

    ON THE UP
    There are two anagrinds
    awfully for sick
    and new for the longer fodder

    Thanks Eileen.

  8. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    When I saw the setter, I had the same reaction as Eileen and thought what’s the point, but I’m pleased to say that I managed to solve this before lights out, apart from having to reveal SAPSAGO. I liked the quasi-symmetry of KENNINGTON OVAL and KENSINGTON GORE plus KERB CRAWLING with TOM CRUISE and MAIDEN VOYAGE. I couldn’t parse CADENZA, ALTER or TAIGA.

    I had ADDRESSEE as 2 x notices, ADS and SEE about Dr DRE, the hip hop artist, A tough challenge but not surprising.

    Ta Enigmatist & Eileen.

  9. PostMark's avatar
    PostMark

    Thought I was going to finish an Enigmatist – but no. NHO SAPSAGO and certainly couldn’t parse it. I suspect the bookenders at 1a and 27a might be challenging for some of our overseas solvers. TAIGA is fave today for the poetic reference.

    Thanks both

    PS. I have nothing against TOM CRUISE but I’m never going to be able to see his name again without thinking of kerb-crawling!

  10. Eileen's avatar
    Eileen

    Many thanks for prompt responses.

    Crispy @3 – of course: doh!

    I meant to say that I wouldn’t attempt to record thanks for each piece of help as it arrived. Please take it as read, until a later summary (when I’ve had a chance to wake up. 😉 )

  11. staticman1's avatar
    staticman1

    A mixed bad indeed. If you ignore that I had to reveal SAPSAGO and CADENZA pleased to get an Enigmatist solved in the time I put aside in the morning. I did not know or could parse afterwards either of those reveals so I was not going to get there in a million years.

    Enjoyed the two Kensington related clues, KERB CRAWLING and TOM CRUISE

    Thanks Eileen and Enigmatist.


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  13. Lippi's avatar
    Lippi

    Like Eileen I’m fearful when I see the name Enig, but this one was ok. I even parsed 4 out of the 5 Eileen left. Thanks both

  14. PB's avatar
    PB

    @1 it = SA ?
    Don’t get it
    Can you help please

  15. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    CRUISE is another word for KERB CRAWL. I parsed LAMPLIGHT as Mike @5.

  16. Lizzie's avatar
    Lizzie

    Torture. Who’s heard of sapsago? And how is “harsh and unscrupulous” a definition for secret state police,?

  17. Lockjaw's avatar
    Lockjaw

    I was somewhat fearful when I saw Enigmatist’s name as I’m closing in on a 100 day winning streak! I got there but not without a battle and the parsing was a slog. Neat play on kennington/kensington.

  18. Martin's avatar
    Martin

    I agree about Dr Dre and Ms Viner being a PRESS ED.
    I got as far as Eileen with CADENZA and bodged a desperate SAPS (ends, by taking its energy) + AGO (its [race is] run i.e. in the past).

    I’d like to say I prefer KVa’s version, which is bound to be correct, but I don’t even understand that!
    Can you elaborate KVa and are you ever a setter/blogger?

    I was pleased to fill the grid and liked some of the clues but these tend to feel a step too far.
    I will continue to engage though.

    Lizzie @16 I had the same question, GESTAPO can be an adjective too.

    (13 comments while I was writing mine. I look behind the times)
    Thanks Enigmatist and Eileen.

  19. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    TOM CRUISE
    Is it a soundalike of (suggesting) “Tom crews”
    Spot of (someone) Kerb Crawling?

    Sorry for multiple posts.

    PB@14
    IT means sex/sexual relationship.
    SA is sex appeal. In Crosswordostan IT=SA.

    Martin@18
    Thanks for the compliments.
    No. I never tried setting or blogging.

  20. kenmac's avatar

    Like Eileen, I nearly shelved this but I decided to have a go. The two KENs (1a & 27a) spurred me on. I eventually had to sleep and finished it shortly after waking up. I wonder if the neighbours might have me locked up as I run down the street shouting, “I finished an Enigmatist!”

  21. Lizzie's avatar
    Lizzie

    PB @ #14
    SA = sex appeal, or “it”

  22. ravenrider's avatar
    ravenrider

    PB @14 SA=Sex Appeal = It, as in you either have it or don’t. I’ve never liked it much, but it’s common in crosswords.

    I struggled with parsing in much the same places as Eileen. All seems fair with te explanations though.

  23. Redrodney's avatar
    Redrodney

    KVa@7 I had KERB CRAWLING as you’ve parsed it, but I think Eileen is right. IMO Charles can only = K if you go via chess, which seems too much of a stretch I think?

  24. TonyM's avatar
    TonyM

    I just think so much of this cluing seems as if it was rushed – lazy rather than clever.

  25. Fuddleduddy's avatar
    Fuddleduddy

    Wow. First time this has happened but I lost the will to continue with just over half done as I was discouraged by my inability to parse a number of obviously correct solutions. I just felt ‘What’s the point?’ Relieved to see that I’m in quite decent company. First time I’d come across this setter. Will probably give it a miss next time.

  26. ronald's avatar
    ronald

    Yes, MeToo, shrinking back whenever I see this setter’s name appearing. But maybe because I didn’t have a peek just past midnight this time but came to it not that long ago. Or maybe because I thought KENSINGTON GORE(which I know from my days in South Ken) straight away from the Prom reference, when I read 27ac, then wondered if 1ac could – possibly – be the almost similar KENNINGTON OVAL (where I’ve watched the cricket many a time). Anyway, both got written in, parsing sort of checked, and I was away. Last one in (had to Google that one) was SAPSAGO. Never completed an ENIGMATIST before, but somehow managed this one on a wing and a prayer

  27. Digger's avatar
    Digger

    I got it all! Except that I put in SOPRANO instead of the sixth most well known type of cheese in Switzerland – which you could only solve if you are from the 1940s and still think that “it” means SA. Soprano is a brand of cheese though.

    Honestly, Enigmatist is obviously very clever and talented – one of the best – so why does he need to resort to crosswordese junk like that?

  28. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Thanks Enigmatist and Eileen
    I didn’t enjoy this at all. Some of the clues seemed to be allusions to the answers rather than actual clues (GESTAPO and IN GENERAL for instance).
    I got SAPSAGO from a wordfinder. Has anyone heard of it?
    KENSINGTON GORE is very UK specific GK.
    To add to the confusion, in Barbados there is a KENSINGTON OVAL!

  29. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    SAPSAGO
    Martin@18
    Did you want an elaborate parsing?
    I didn’t get it in the first reading. Sorry.

    production initially=P
    its=IT+IT=SASA
    run=GO
    P stops (goes into) SASAGO.
    (Or P stops SASA)+GO

    In CADENZA
    1ac in the clue expands to ONE AC
    N from ONE (the central letter) and AC are used in the WP.
    ‘Turn by’ in the clue is the reversal indicator.

  30. nametab's avatar
    nametab

    As per Postmark @9 for me. Miraculously, the solutions rolled out – don’t quite know why.
    As Eileen has said, some clues were straightforward, but the planets must be aligned too, because somehow I could intuit many other answers without hacking through the parsing undergrowth.
    Thanks to Enigmatist and Eileen

  31. Martin's avatar
    Martin

    D’Oh! Yes, sex appeal and it. Thank you KVa and Lizzie.

  32. brian-with-an-eye's avatar
    brian-with-an-eye

    Thanks for the blog, Eileen. I found this much more approachable than Enig usually is. I got the feeling that they really wanted to do the TOM CRUISE joke, and I admit it made me laugh a little guiltily. But 23a is frankly a terrible clue for an obscure word. As Digger@27 says, we aren’t in the 1940s any more.

  33. nametab's avatar
    nametab

    TomyM @24: now you’ve said it, I think you’re right – it does feel rushed.

  34. SimoninBxl's avatar
    SimoninBxl

    My first pass yielded 3 solutions, so I nearly binned this. Cracking the 1s opened everything up but didn’t know 26A TAIGA, so a failure in the end.

  35. Mike's avatar
    Mike

    I think KVa is right about kerb crawling – his explanation makes more sense of the ‘in’. ‘To’ = ‘accompanied by’ in the sense of ‘he sang to a small guitar’ (not sure anyone has said this yet). For an Enigmatist I found this relatively easy to complete, though I couldn’t parse everything

  36. michelle's avatar
    michelle

    Tough puzzle in that I had quite a few answers I could not fully parse or parse at all so it was not very satisfying but it was a good challenge.

    New for me: EL CAPITAN, SAPSAGO.

    I could solve 1ac from the letter count as I am familiar with the Oval but I could not really parse it, and for 27ac I needed to look at a map for street names near Royal Albert Hall.

    I could not parse:
    1ac the TO
    11ac apart from guessing there was a ref to AZED
    23ac apart from the P
    25ac
    26ac apart from guessing it was a homonym of tiger
    14d – did not know that TOM = prostitute
    18d I wrongly assumed it was something like rev of LEG=on + A + TIN = ?

    Thanks to Eileen and all the bloggers who have filled in the gaps for the parsing.

  37. James's avatar
    James

    Redrodney @23 I agree, Charles is nonsense for K, which is a chess or cards king, not a person. But the rest of the clue doesn’t work taking Charles as KING, which would seem to be a bigger problem (or at least, a more unlikely one).

  38. Petert's avatar
    Petert

    I think we have had KENSINGTON GORE in the sense of fake blood before, so it was vaguely familiar, though I started with the wrong reporter and was looking for a Lane. TAIGA is brilliant.

  39. bodycheetah's avatar
    bodycheetah

    Having been comprehensively beaten by IO in yesterday’s FT this felt like a vigorous sparring match. Challenging but doable

    Top ticks for TOM CRUISE KERB CRAWLING & CADENZA

    Cliche klaxon sounded for SA/IT

    Cheers E&E

  40. crypticsue's avatar
    crypticsue

    Add me to the list of people who normally quake a bit when seeing Enigmatist at the top of the crossword, but I decided to give it a go and managed all but the cheese in a very reasonable time for one of his puzzles

    Thanks to Enigmatist and Eileen. My favourite clue was 26a

  41. Wellbeck's avatar
    Wellbeck

    Perversely, I’m always pleased to see Enigmatist’s name on a weekday puzzle, for it means I have an outside chance of completing it. And on days when I do, like today, I feel childishly chuffed for several minutes, till I remember this wasn’t a Prize puzzle.
    Hey ho
    Last in was SAPSAGO (well yes of course I’d never heard of it, but with all the crossers twas the sole wordfinder offering). TAIGA I guessed from the Blake reference. ADDRESSEE: semi-parsed (I really must bone-up on what the much-missed Jeremy Hardy used to call hippity-hop). CADENZA: another guess (I saw Azed, hadn’t the foggiest about the rest).
    1A & 27A were easy to guess (I was born & brought up in London, which helps), parsing took longer.
    Fuddleduddy @25: I know what you mean – I’ve been there many times myself! There are now some Grauniad setters I’ve stopped bothering with – but I persist with Enigmatist because, unusually, he is actually capable of “being easier” sometimes. And when I do succeed, hoo boy it feels good.
    Thank you to him and to Eileen

  42. Simon Townley's avatar
    Simon Townley

    IT meaning SA meaning Sex Appeal is now 100 years old. It’s why Clara Bow was known as The ‘It’ Girl. Probably about time crossword setters stopped using it (sic) – no wonder younger people say they don’t ‘get’ cryptic crosswords and can’t solve them, when some of the references you ‘need to know’ are so old.

  43. Donal Og's avatar
    Donal Og

    For 17ac Lam = hit and plight = spot?

  44. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    1 Charles and his mum in dust-up about constant sleazy activity (4,8)
    KERB CRAWLING
    KING (Charles) with ER (his mum) in BRAWL (bust-up) round C (constant)

    The problem I have with this is that ER isn’t in BRAWL – (ER + BRAWL around C) is in KING, whereas KVA’s parsing makes a bit more sense, other than K (chess notation) for Charles.

  45. Digger's avatar
    Digger

    @43 I actually had LAMP = hit and LIGHT = spot (short for a spotlight). I wonder which Mr Nigmatist had in mind.

  46. Wellbeck's avatar
    Wellbeck

    I had the same parsing as Digger @45. For me, LAMP = hit, LAM I only know as in “going on the lam” ie. running away.
    (I also agree with Simon @ 42 about SA/it – but I suspect our objections will fall on deaf ears.)

  47. DerekTheSheep's avatar
    DerekTheSheep

    I thought I was a bit of a cheese buff but SAPSAGO (LOI) was a completely new one for me. I had to resort to a website with an alphabetical list of cheeses.
    QUITE satisfying to complete an enigmatist – and in one sitting, too! The name alone is enough to make me take a very deep breath and be prepared for defeat.
    I could parse most of the answers, sometimes given a sideways hard stare, but as others have noted, several seemed to be a bit off.
    Thanks E and I.

  48. poc's avatar
    poc

    Muffin@28: I’m a UK solver and didn’t know KG was an actual location. I’ve only ever heard it as fake blood, so there was no way I could have solved this. Ditto SAPSAGO.

    As a rhotic speaker, the less said about TAIGA the better.

    I actually liked GELATIN, TOSSPOT and a few others.

  49. Roz's avatar
    Roz

    Thanks for the blog , SAPSAGO has been in Azed before and of course is in Chambers 93 and the wordplay was fine .
    Why oh why Guardian ? I would prefer it if you did not give me the hope in the first place .
    AlanC@8 , you might like the FT crossword today .

  50. LobsterDarts's avatar
    LobsterDarts

    I agree with Simon@42 on retiring IT=SA.

    I spent many hours researching Swiss cheeses for our Swiss-themed Christmas last year. We bought a (truly delicious) Blue Brain, some Appenberger, Fessli and Belper Knolle as well as the usual Emmental and Gruyere. But SAPSAGO was a mystery to me nonetheless.

    However, I did manage to finish this fairly quickly though many were unparsed. Lucky or on the right wavelength I guess.

  51. Chris's avatar
    Chris

    Life’s too short to explore obscure Swiss cheeses, especially if, like me, you detest almost all varieties of the stuff! I also haven’t heard the Oval referred to like that in years, certainly not since naming rights sponsorship became a thing.

  52. Shirley's avatar
    Shirley

    KVA@7 could you please elaborate on the “to” at 1AC please?
    Why does it mean accompanied by?
    Enjoyable crossword for an Enigmatist once we got going.
    Thanks Eileen for persevering too.

  53. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    Shirley@52
    1AC
    Mike@35 has given an example of the interchangeability of accompanied by/to.

  54. kangacam's avatar
    kangacam

    KVa@19 Crosswordostan sounds like an amazing country to visit. Communicating with the locals would be an entertaining challenge.

  55. Ed's avatar
    Ed

    I gave up after writing in ADDRESSEE and ON THE UP and EXTREMA

  56. ShopshireLass's avatar
    ShopshireLass

    Pleasing to see that Eileen (my heroine) and I are on the same page regarding the clever cluing of Enigmatist. Today’s puzzle was a mixture of general knowledge—for example, 1ac and 27ac—plus a number of mysterious solutions I couldn’t solve, namely 18dn, 11ac, 23ac and 26ac.
    Favourites 7dn, 13ac, 15ac,
    Thx to Enigmatist and to Eileen.

  57. Bullhassocks's avatar
    Bullhassocks

    If we start retiring bits of outdated slang, where do we stop? We probably have to accept these quaint crossword conventions much as we tolerate more contemporary references (eg Dr Dre). This is from someone who has never heard of SA or IT in the sense used here outside of Crosswordostan, and has no desire to know anything more about Dr Dre.

  58. William's avatar
    William

    Well said, BullH @57, it’s the slight bonkersness of this hobby that appeals to me.

    I filled in this grid, with a little help from elsewhere, but was left with a disappointing number of ?s. Still, solving an Enigmatist is ok for an old plodder.

    Many thanks, Eileen, for the valiant blog.

  59. Peter Malone's avatar
    Peter Malone

    Saw the name at the top and decided to take the day off.

  60. KVa's avatar
    KVa

    kangcam@54
    225 could well be the de facto capital of or at least a very important place in, Crosswordostan. 🙂

    AlanC@15
    TOM CRUISE
    Even after reading your post, I went on to post my wrong parse as I misunderstood ‘a spot of’.
    When I realised that my parsing was iffy, I emailed an expert friend of mine to check whether he
    agreed with my parsing. In response, he explained that ‘a spot of kerb crawling ‘ = ‘ some amount of
    kerb crawling/cruising’.
    Didn’t know this sense of ‘spot’ before that, and that lack of knowledge derailed me (though Eileen
    has clearly indicated in her blog that it’s a cryptic def).

    There’s so much to learn.

  61. Scribbler's avatar
    Scribbler

    I’m feeling thoroughly mauled by that experience; I enjoyed the ones I could do but the majority of the rest went in guessed at and unparsed. I knew of KENSINGTON GORE as fake blood but didn’t know it was a place near the RAH. I also spent a long time looking for a Glasgow sports venue that fitted the enumeration. LOI 23ac: I decided against skimming an alphabetical list of world cheeses and just hit “Reveal”; I’d never have worked out SAPSAGO from the clue. Thanks to Enigmatist for the (insurmountable) challenge, and to Eileen for such sterling work under pressure.

  62. Robi's avatar
    Robi

    As is usual with Enigmatist, I had to use a lot of electronic help but managed to ‘solve’ it and parse everything except the GELATIN cycle. I liked the CADENZA in 1ac, the OP PRESS ED in the Guardian, and the sorcerer and diplomat in their MAIDEN VOYAGE.

    Thanks Enigmatist and Eileen.

  63. Dave F's avatar
    Dave F

    I got most of it, enjoyed very little of it.

  64. DodgyProf's avatar
    DodgyProf

    Very accessible for an Enigmatist I thought after having struggled with his recent Prize for several days. I had written in KENSINGTON OVAL (Barbados) which would have given pleasant (if not fearful) symmetry but the parsing didn’t work. I lazily let Mr Google find actor Tom for me but kicked myself afterwards. NHO SAPSAGO (although before doing word-search the joke “How do you start a pudding race” had been in my mind so maybe something was going on subconsciously). Apropos Simon@42’s suggestion of retiring IT=SA, I recently asked Gemini when Actor = TREE (from Sir Herbert Beerbohm Tree) was last used. Apparently the Crossword Editor officially “retired” its use in March 2014 although there was a nostalgic reference to Tree in November 2016 in the Guardian Cryptic No. 27,050 by Brummie, namely “Actor Tree’s half-cut old Scotsman? (9)”

  65. ronald's avatar
    ronald

    …for an old codger like me, it’ll always be the KENNINGTON OVAL, complete with the strong pervading whiff on the way of the marmite factory (closed in the late Sixties?) and the Good Old Gasometer, which I believe was decommisioned about a dozen years ago. And more nostalgia, re KENSINGTON GORE – apologies – I never actually attended The Proms at the Albert Hall but did see Pink Floyd playing there once upon a time…

  66. Joseph's avatar
    Joseph

    As frustrating for me as always with Enigmatist, although I am happy for the expert solvers here who got to stretch their legs.

    “it’s” translating to SASA is a leap too far for me. If it is something common in crosswordland, as others have said, it has bypassed me, even though I know of both separately as synonyms for sex appeal. I agree that IT for sex appeal should be retired — outside of crosswords, I don’t think it’s a term that has been used for decades? And I don’t recall seeing “sex appeal” much lately, either, although the youth’s word of choice, “hot”, is IMO a downgrade.

  67. Jacob's avatar
    Jacob

    Fun fact: the origin of the term “it girl” goes back to 1927 when Clara Bow appeared in the film “It”. The original meaning of the term was a personal magnetism that went beyond mere sex appeal. As Rudyard Kipling (yes, him again), who apparently originated the concept in 1904 put it:

    It isn’t beauty, so to speak, nor good talk necessarily. It’s just ‘It’. Some women will stay in a man’s memory if they once walk down the street.

  68. SueM's avatar
    SueM

    Thank you Eileen for your blog unpicking this puzzle. I especially appreciate your giving the context of TAIGA/tiger/tyger as I had not made the leap to the Blake poem. Once explained, a lovely clue.
    As an Aussie solver, the London places were only vaguely known, so I needed to construct them from word play and crossers. However I do remember the KG = fake blood clue from a little while ago. Was it in a Prize?
    I was as ignorant as most about the cheese. Enough said about that already.
    Thanks Eileen and contributors for parsing help with many including CADENZA, ADDRESSEE, GELATIN, SAPSAGO, TAIGA.
    I liked MAIDEN VOYAGE, OPPRESSED and TOSSPOT. And was amused by the KERB CRAWLING TOM CRUISE.
    Thanks to Enigmatist and Eileen.

  69. Ian Shale's avatar
    Ian Shale

    Presumably all the deleted comments contain expletives, the usual choice of vocabulary when describing this setter’s efforts. Strangely accessible today though, barring the obscenity of “sapsago”.

  70. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Googling suggests that possibly SAPSAGO is the name for the cheese only in the US; elsewhere it is called Schabziger. (Different sites have different opinions on this, though several go with the US usage.)

  71. Kenny's avatar
    Kenny

    A minor point, but Glaswegians don’t say “ken”. That is an East Coast word for “know”.

  72. phitonelly's avatar
    phitonelly

    Like fine wines, some things should be consumed slowly and savoured. Enigmatist puzzles are such things. I enjoyed all that I parsed and appreciate the clarification of the rest, thanks to Eileen’s and commenters’ joint efforts. I almost always find that everything works when carefully examined.
    Favourites were CADENZA for the 1ac misdirection, KERB CRAWLING for the image of K and ER brawling and NARWHAL and HEELS for the excellent surfaces. Here’s hoping the latter is true!!
    I think I’ve mispronounced TAIGA my whole life. Maybe I’ll remember it now.
    I hope we have more puzzles like this. There needs to be a range of difficulties to allow us to improve.
    Good to see you back, crypticsue @40.
    Thank, E’s.

  73. Ianw's avatar
    Ianw

    I finished it but there was a couple I couldn’t fully parse. Didn’t enjoy it much. Too clever just for the sake of it.

  74. Drofle's avatar
    Drofle

    Unlike Eileen I found this surprisingly straightforward for an Enigmatist, apart from SAPSAGO (I put in unparsed SOPRANO, which is apparently a kind of cheese). The long solutions round the outside went in quickly, which was a great help. There were a couple unparsed (HEELS and CADENZA), but I felt satisfied with my work! Many thanks to E & E.

  75. DerekTheSheep's avatar
    DerekTheSheep

    [KENSINGTON GORE is also the location of the Royal Geographical Society; it has a fascinating museum, unfortunately closed to non-members more often than not. I was shown round it several years ago – a real treat. I think you can get a bit of a look in at some of their events. ]

  76. Eileen's avatar
    Eileen

    Phew! Many thanks, everyone, for your contributions. It’s not possible to reply to them all individually but I’ll try to draw some threads together.

    It struck me that we have a few unfamiliar names here today. One or two have said that this was their first encounter with Enigmatist – something of a baptism of fire: I’m full of admiration. Some have said that the puzzle would have been better as a Saturday Prize offering, with which I would wholeheartedly concur, flattering myself that, with a few more days to ponder, and a few more sleeps, without the pressure of producing a blog, I might have made a better job of it. I’m now generally content with most of the explanations – particular chagrin for missing Ms Viner and failing to extricate AZED (that’s one of my favourite types of clue.) I’m less annoyed at missing SAPSAGO – in full agreement with the comments about IT /SA – and Dr DRE: I had heard of him but didn’t know he was hip-hop. I’m pleased that my two original favourites, TAIGA and MAIDEN VOYAGE, maintained their prime position, after the various revelations – I’ll now add ADDRESSEE, CADENZA and TOSSPOT.

    Re LAMPLIGHT: I’ve taken on board the arguments for LAMP LIGHT but I’m sticking to my guns on this. Collins and Chambers both give two separate and almost identical meanings of LAM: 1. to thrash or beat; 2. a sudden flight or escape; to escape or flee (‘on the lam’)
    and similar ones for PLIGHT: a difficult or dangerous situation; and ‘spot’: an awkward position or situation.

    I think the jury’s still out re KERB CRAWLING. 😉

  77. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Eileen @76
    Selfishly, I’m glad that this wasn’t a Prize – I wouldn’t have got close to filling the grid if the Check option hadn’t been available!

  78. Alec's avatar
    Alec

    I like to think that, when she goes to the Proms, Radio 3’s Penny Gore transforms into a sort of musical superhero, Kensington Gore.
    For 1ac I at first put in HAAAMPDENN PARK.

  79. epop's avatar
    epop

    Finished! A few guesses. I went to St Anne’s primary school on the Harleyford Road and later the London Oratory in South Kensington.

  80. Phil Ramsden's avatar
    Phil Ramsden

    Enigmatist’s used the plural to indicate two instances a couple of times: “its” to give SA .. SA (two instances of sex appeal, I guess), and “notices” to give AD .. SEE (two instances of notice, in two different senses). Comprehensively foxed me both times, I will admit!

    The “Tom Cruise” pun had occurred to me before, but it’s a bit eww for me. (I was going to put “for my money”.)

  81. Layman's avatar
    Layman

    About my best performance with Enigmatist so far: some good guesses, very limited internet help and a wrongly guessed limelight instead of LAMPLIGHT (which I also had as a version but couldn’t parse, either).

    Proud of getting ONSET, IN GENERAL and MAIDEN VOYAGE, as well as a great CADENZA. The Blake poem was known to me from The Mentalist series. I took “still needs work” in HEELS as a comment by the setter that someone forgot to delete 🙂 I parsed SIDESTEP (wrongly it appears) as SIDE + s.t. (“such that”) + EP, and AMIGO as AMI (ie one “friend” – French) + GO. Thanks Enigmatist and Eileen!

  82. jeceris's avatar
    jeceris

    Just because phrases or words are interchangeable in sentences doesn’t make them mean the same thing; “sang to a small guitar” implies to me that the guitar is accompanied by the singer, not the other way round.

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