Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,156 by Omnibus

The puzzle may be found at https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/30156.

Omnibus, whoever he/she/they may be, provides us with a puzzle centred around 7D GARDEN. It requires more than a dash of GK, and raises the odd quibble – and has one definite error in 17D PANACEAS.

ACROSS
9 ON AVERAGE
As usual, United bags, say, silver (2,7)
An envelope (‘bags’) of AVER (‘say’) plus AG (chemical symbol, ‘silver’) in ONE (united’).
10 CHART
Last of nomadic deer to be hit (5)
A charade of C (‘last of nomadiC‘) plus HART (‘deer’). I suppose the definition is a reference to a pop song, say, charting, that is, being a hit.
11, 7, 18 A CHILD’S GARDEN OF VERSES
It’s fun for kids to throw salad dressing over chef (1,6,6,2,6)
A remarkable long anagram (‘to throw’) of ‘salad dressing over chef’. The definition is a collection of poetry by Robert Louis Stevenson.
12 RHONDDA
First of drivers in car follows river valley (7)
A charade of R (‘river’) plus HONDDA, an envelope (‘in’) of D (‘first of Drivers’) in HONDA (‘car’). The valley is in Wales, and gives its name for the hymn tune Cwm Rhondda.
13 HOST
Army, it so happens, trapped in retreat (4)
A hidden (‘trapped’) reversed (‘in retreat’) answer in ‘IT SO Happens’.
14 CONTINENCE
Self-discipline, over time, displayed innocence (10)
An envelope (‘over’) of T (‘time’) in CONINENCE, an anagram (‘displayed’) of ‘innocence’.
15, 22 GOOD AND EVIL
Literary 7 is excellent – a new Dickens (4,3,4)
A charade of GOOD (‘excellent’) plus ‘a’ plus N (‘new’) plus DEVIL (‘Dickens’). The definition refers to the non-fiction novel Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt (and the film and musical of the same name).
17 PERGOLA
At each turn, the French get something to climb in 7 (7)
A charade of PER (‘at each’) plus GO (‘turn’) plus LA (‘the French’). The garden feature might be ‘something to climb’ if you were a vine or rose, say.
19 GETHSEMANE
Olive 7, for example, reversed position – she meant ‘working out’ (10)
A charade of GE, a reversal (‘reversed position’) of EG (‘for example’) plus THSEMANE, an anagram (‘working out’) of ‘she meant’.
22
See 15
23 OUTCROP
Exposed rock group’s work around criminal court (7)
An envelope (‘around’) of UTCRO, an anagram (‘criminal’) of ‘court’ in OP (‘work’). I have added ‘group’ to the definition because it does not seem to be of use elsewhere.
24 CHEERIO
Revolutionary repertoire E.H. Carr described in parting comment (7)
A hidden (‘described’) reversed (‘revolutionary’) answer in ‘repertOIRE E H Carr’.
26 NYLON
What’s woven by transatlantic municipal alliance? (5)
NY LON – New York, London.
27 STATEMENT
Soldiers close to revolt after government communiqué (9)
A charade of STATE (‘government’) plus MEN (‘soldiers’ – let us just say dated) plus T (‘close to revolT‘).
DOWN
1 MORAL HIGH GROUND
Political capital derived from honourable record and motive (5,4,6)
A charade of MORAL (‘honourable’) plus HIGH (‘record’ – many entries in the Guinness World Records are of new HIGH values) plus GROUND (‘motive’).
2 MACHISMO
Great speed’s operating procedure for display of manliness (8)
A charade of MACHI (Mach 1, the speed of sound – ‘great speed’ depending on to what it is being compared) plus IS (the apostrophy s) plus MO (modus operandi, ‘operating procedure’).
3 WELL
What’s found in the 7, alive and kicking? (4)
Double definition. A (wishing? – or even functional) WELL might be a feature in a garden.
4 PASSWORD
5 signal to give up on brief conversation (8)
A charade of PASS (‘give up’) plus WORD (‘brief conversation’).
5 SECRET
Curtailed leak of what shouldn’t be leaked (6)
A subtraction: SECRET[e] (‘leak’) minus its last letter (‘curtailed’).
6 SCHOONER
Glass is rather overwhelmed by church? Just the opposite (8)
An envelope (‘overwhelmed by’ – with ‘just the opposite’ indicating which goes inside) of CH (‘church’) in SOONER (‘rather’).
7
See 11 Across
8 IT TAKES ALL SORTS
What the liquorice-loving magpie does? There’s no accounting for taste (2,5,3,5)
Definition and literal interpretation, relying on the reputation of a magpie as a thief (La Gazza Ladra), and allsorts – generally one word – as a liquorice confection. That one definitely raised a smile.
16 ALSO-RANS
The losers, what’s more, managed to take last of medals (4-4)
A charade of ALSO (‘what’s more’) plus RAN (‘managed’) plus (‘to take’) S (‘last of medalS‘).
17 PANACEAS
Universal fixes one-to-one in tracking shots (8)
An envelope (‘in’) of ACE (‘one’) plus A (another ‘one’) in PANS (‘tracking shots’ NO: in a pan the camera remains in place but pivots, while in a tracking shot the camera moves to follow a subject).
18
See 11 Across
20 TATTLE
Talk let down by rubbish introduction (6)
A charade of TAT (‘rubbish’) plus TLE, an anagram (‘down’?) of ‘let’.
21 MOPISH
Listless shock is hard (6)
A charade of MOP (‘shock’ of hair) plus ‘is’ plus H (‘hard’).
25 EDEN
7 put paid to by Suez? (4)
Double definition: the biblical GARDEN and Anthony Eden, the Prime Minister whose tenure collapsed as a result of the aborted Suez invasion.

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71 comments on “Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,156 by Omnibus”

  1. grantinfreo's avatar
    grantinfreo

    Balmy spring day here, ideal for enjoying a garden puzzle (thankfully milder than yesterday’s Io). And yes our 7 does have a 17 and a 3. Nice job, cheerio Omni and Peter.

  2. MAC089's avatar
    MAC089

    I was looking for an anagram for 11,7,18, but didn’t see OVER as part of the feed-in, thought that the chef must have been CHILD as in Julia, and just bunged the answer in when I saw it… and no, my 7 has neither a 3 nor a 17.

  3. Jay's avatar
    Jay

    I am not up on my camera movements so PANS seemed logical to me. Peter, thanks for the education on that one. As for 20D I agree that it should have been “talk let UP—not DOWN”. Otherwise, I thoroughly enjoyed the puzzle so a big thank you to Omnibus. My favorite was IT TAKES ALL SORTS, since I learned about the licorice mix I had never heard of before.

  4. Jay's avatar
    Jay

    I live in Southern California and our climate is warm and dry. In my garden I have a lot of cacti but no well or pergola.

  5. Tom's avatar
    Tom

    I struggled with this one, partly because I’d NHO of the theme clue (although I got the 7d bit fairly early after getting 25d), partly because of brain, and partly because of what felt like dubious clueing. 3d feels barely cryptic or fair to me, I don’t understand the anagrind in 20d, the cryptic grammar in 13a is odd (I think it just about works, but you really have to squint), I don’t understand how ‘displayed’ indicates an anagram, and I don’t like (probably a matter of taste) ‘to take’ as a juxtaposition indicator rather than an insertion indicator.

    I did enjoy 8d and 6d a lot, for what it’s worth.

    Thanks PeterO and Omnibus, and sorry for being a grump about it!

  6. Staticman1's avatar
    Staticman1

    One of Omnibus’s better offerings in my opinion.

    I didn’t know the ACGOV so was a case of finding 5 words that fitted the anagram. Helped by working backwards to GARDEN from the theme.

    I also had a question mark next to TATTLE but parsed it as PeterO.

    Liked RHODDA and IT TAKES ALL SORTS.

    Thanks PeterO and Omnibus

  7. SueM's avatar
    SueM

    NY LON as the transatlantic municipal alliance was cute. I missed that parsing.
    I enjoyed the GARDEN theme, which did help to confirm a couple and was looking out for the SECRET GARDEN by the end.
    Agree that ACGOV was a very clever anagram and the liquorice-thieving magpie in 8d was delightful.
    I also liked the Olive7 definition of GETHSEMANE, quite misdirecting.
    Thanks to Omnibus and PeterO.

  8. Matthew Newell's avatar
    Matthew Newell

    Thanks Peter and Omnibus. That was tough but fair. ACGOV was very impressive. And like others I chuckled at It takes all sorts. Even apart from the very well constructed long clues there were some very nicely phrased clues

  9. bodycheetah's avatar
    bodycheetah

    Chambers has PAN: “To move (a cinema, video or still television camera) about (or as if pivoting about) an axis while taking a picture so as to follow a particular object …” so once again we’re in the specialised versus general meaning zone. So you might pan in order to track. I’d give the setter a pass on this one

    I liked the liquorice allsorts although last time I tried them they were much sicklier than I remembered

    Cheers P&O

  10. SueB's avatar
    SueB

    I wonder if it’s relevant that The Secret Garden was first published in November 1910? 116th anniversary?

  11. Auriga's avatar
    Auriga

    NYLON is often assumed to be derived from the two cities, where DuPont had labs. It is my understanding that “Norun” was initially proposed as the yarn was to be used for ladies’ stockings, but they still ran, so it was transmuted to “Nuron” and finally the now familiar NYLON.

    My thanks to Omnibus and Peter O.

  12. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Thanks Omnibus and PeterO
    I had never heard of the book, but an anagram finder solved it for me. I hadn’t heard of the GOOD AND EVIL one either, but nothing else fitted.
    “found in the garden” is very loose for WELL!
    There are actually two RHONDDA valleys – large and small (Fawr and Fach in Welsh)..
    An early Jonathan Creek episode turned on the difference between a panning and a tracking shot.

  13. simonc's avatar
    simonc

    I dispute the whole notion that poetry is ‘fun for kids’.

  14. Protase's avatar
    Protase

    Unnacountably, I sailed through this one, which I enjoyed much more than previous ‘by all’ offerings. I agree with Tom @5 that some clues are rather less taut than they might be, but the surfaces are good and the definitions not difficult to recognise. I was helped by spotting the RLS anthology as a possibility from just A C and the enumeration (I confess I didn’t stop to parse it, but it is a very clever long anagram). A lot of good constructions – I particularly enjoyed PERGOLA, SECRET, ALSO RANS and the sweet-toothed corvid.

    Thanks to Omnibus and PeterO

  15. Billy Mills's avatar
    Billy Mills

    I know my Robert Louis Stevenson quite well, so the long one fell into place quite quickly, and that really helped. Loved the magpie clue/

  16. ronald's avatar
    ronald

    Needed PeterO for the parsing of NYLON, and also to be reminded that Mop is a Shock (of Hair). The anagram for ACGOV was a great help, without which I might have struggled to fill the grid. I thought this Omnibus puzzle, whoever is responsible, was quite a bit better than some of the previous ones, imho…

  17. Andy in Durham's avatar
    Andy in Durham

    SueB@10 I think it is more pertinent that 70 years ago today, we were in the middle of the Suez crisis that ended Anthony EDEN’s term as prime minister.

  18. greenmarky's avatar
    greenmarky

    Enjoyed that. Still have my ACGOV from 1974.

    Thanks PeterO and Omnibus.

  19. digbydavies's avatar
    digbydavies

    Excellent stuff but could some kind person explain why 5 signal=PASSWORD. TIA.

  20. digbydavies's avatar
    digbydavies

    Oops – just seen it – doh!

  21. pserve_p2's avatar
    pserve_p2

    digbydavies@19: the ‘5’ references the solution to clue 5d = SECRET; a ‘secret signal’ is a PASSWORD.

  22. MichelleI saw the theme but can't say I enjoyed this puzzle. 15/22 I understood the ref to Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (novel by John Berendt) but now realise I did not parse the rest of it. I could not parse 26ac, 1d and I wondered about 2d - is it Mach 1'S MO?'s avatar
    MichelleI saw the theme but can't say I enjoyed this puzzle. 15/22 I understood the ref to Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (novel by John Berendt) but now realise I did not parse the rest of it. I could not parse 26ac, 1d and I wondered about 2d - is it Mach 1'S MO?

    I saw the theme but can’t say I enjoyed this puzzle.

    15/22 I understood the ref to Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (novel by John Berendt) but now realise I did not parse the rest of it.

    I could not parse 26ac, 1d and I wondered about 2d – is it Mach 1’S MO?

  23. poc's avatar
    poc

    As flagged in the blog, ‘down’ as anagrind in 20d seems very dubious. We already accept ‘up’ in that role so what’s the justification?

  24. digbydavies's avatar
    digbydavies

    poc@23 we’ve had up as an anagrind, why not down?

  25. bodycheetah's avatar
    bodycheetah

    poc@23 down = “out of order” maybe? a tad indirect but hey, it’s the Guardian

  26. DadsLad's avatar
    DadsLad

    Loved the allsorts clue, contender for most amusing of the week. Apropos of nothing, there is the nina, GNAT in the middle down colunm, doubtless a complete coincidence.

    Thanks to S (s?) & B

  27. Whibbo's avatar
    Whibbo

    A challenging and educational offering to brighten the lowering sky here in Lincolnshire. I too found 8d the most enjoyable( like Billymills#15).

  28. Tom's avatar
    Tom

    digbydavies@24 because ‘up’ can mean wrong (“something’s up”, “what’s up”) whereas down doesn’t have meanings in the direction of wrong/in a mess/agitated (although bodycheetah@25 has made a valiant effort!)

    That said, if we’re just allowing ‘displayed’ through on the nod as an anagrind, maybe anything goes!

  29. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    Down as in sad? Not well? Out of kilter?

  30. Tim S.'s avatar
    Tim S.

    I found this enjoyable even though I’d never heard of either of the books. I don’t have a garden but fortunately the public Japanese garden round the corner from my flat does, so I could solve the two clues relatively quickly. 8d was fun, especially as I haven’t eaten such sweets for about 60 years.

  31. Meandme's avatar
    Meandme

    Pace Simonc@13 “A child’s garden of verses” was one of my favourite books when I was six, but I suppose there weren’t many to choose from. Nice to see it again. I failed on the parsing of 1D and didn’t notice the panning/tracking anomaly, so thanks to PeterO for the explanations. An enjoyable solve – thank you Omnibus.

  32. Quirister's avatar
    Quirister

    I don’t think anyone else has pointed this out specifically – apologies if I’ve missed it:
    It’s generally been speculated (though I think not confirmed) that Omnibus represents a collection of clues by various different setters contributing to the same puzzle. If so, 8d seems very appropriate.

  33. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    Probably the best Omnibus I’ve tried and it felt more like one setter, rather than a mishmash. I didn’t know either of the literary works, but solvable from the wordplay. I liked GETHSEMANE, MORAL HIGH GROUND, the thieving magpie and ALSO RANS. Interested to know what’s going on with Michelle’s double entry @22?

    Ta Omnibus & PeterO.

  34. Lord Jim's avatar
    Lord Jim

    Not being one of those who necessarily do the clues in order, I spotted 25d straight away, and it had to be EDEN. That suggested 7d was GARDEN which gave me a way in to 11, 7, 18. An enjoyable puzzle.

    Maybe “down” as in “our systems are down”? Or as in “man down”?

    Many thanks Omnibus and PeterO.

  35. DutchGirl's avatar
    DutchGirl

    The magpie clue is very amusing, even though I did not know the allsorts liquorice (perhaps very far hidden in my brain). We used to call them English liquorice, as opposed to the just black liquorice. I struggled to parse nylon. I thought NY may be the transatlantic municipal (yes, should be municipality), and googled if lon could be an alliance (it can: League of Nations). I also had problems parsing cheerio. I got stuck on che=revolutionary and did not know what to do with the rest…
    Cheerio, Omnibus and PeterO

  36. James's avatar
    James

    Alan C @33, as you liked the clue for MORAL HIGH GROUND, could you explain how that means political capital? I can’t see how they are even related terms.

  37. bristle's avatar
    bristle

    A big old meh from me.
    Never heard of the big important clue at 11,7,8, which immediately put me on the back foot. And then a lot of it just felt a bit disconnected. which is an accusation we often level at Omnibus.

  38. Neill97's avatar
    Neill97

    I think PANACEAS for 17D is just a typo. It should be PANACEAN then there is a one-to one (AN and ACE) in PAN.

  39. Robi's avatar
    Robi

    Difficult when you don’t know the two literary references but I managed them eventually. I liked ON AVERAGE, NYLON. STATEMENT and PANACEAS. I can’t say that I enjoyed ‘down’ as an anagrind; ‘up’ is quite different.

    Thanks Omnibus and PeterO.

  40. DutchGirl's avatar
    DutchGirl

    I don’t think that works, Neill97@38. The definition is universal fixes, so it must be panaceas

  41. Valentine's avatar
    Valentine

    I didn’t catch the impressive long anagram for the Stevenson collection, just bunged it in with a “what the hell?”

    The MORAL HIGH GROUND clue is a mess.

    How does Lon = London? Never seen it before.

    Thanks to Omnibus, whoever they are, and PeterO, whose identity is clear and welcome.

  42. Jacob's avatar
    Jacob

    ACGOV was new to me, so not much help. ALL SORTS did make smile, even though I cannot stand the taste of liquorice (or aniseed).

    I’m not sure about GROUND for motive: isn’t it (usually) plural, e.g. “grounds for termination” or “on what grounds?”. I can’t recall seeing it in the singular in this sense (although I expect Chambers allows it…)

  43. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    Neill97 @38. The one-to-one is ACEA

  44. Aye-Aye's avatar
    Aye-Aye

    For CHEERIO I guessed the revolutionary was Che, and bunged the rest in without bothering to parse. My mistake!

    When I got the theme I was on the look out for Earthly Delights, but none were forthcoming.

    Thanks to Omnibus and PeterO

  45. Petert's avatar
    Petert

    I liked the thieving magpie. Like others I deducted GARDEN from other clues. It was nice that RHONDDA was helpful, though I suppose that the Beach Boys Rhonda had only one ‘d’.

  46. Crossbar's avatar
    Crossbar

    I enjoyed this Omnibus more than previous ones by this/these setter(s). The clues seemed to flow better, and the ALL SORTS clue in particular made me smile. As a teenager many decades ago I did a summer holiday job in the Bassetts Liquorice Allsorts factory in Sheffield. (Other brands are available, but Bassetts are said to be the original make.) The experience did not put me off them. Bassetts have since merged with other confectionery makers, and I’ve no idea if that factory still exists.

    Thank you Omnibus & PeterO

  47. brian-with-an-eye's avatar
    brian-with-an-eye

    Thanks, Omnibus and PeterO. Nothing really wrong with this crossword, but I didn’t really feel engaged with it for some reason. Valentine @41 – LON is used, for example, when looking up flights to or from London and you want to include all the airports in your search.

  48. Veronica's avatar
    Veronica

    Mmmmm. I’m sure it was enjoyable for those better at crosswords than me. I didn’t get very far. Having read the blog, I’m very pleased that I didn’t keep trying! Not for me (too difficult).

  49. sheffield hatter's avatar
    sheffield hatter

    I spent longer than the rest of the solve trying to find an answer other than WELL for 3d. Shouldn’t the clue say “what may be found in the garden”? As it stands, it seems to imply that every garden has one.

    Other than that, a big improvement from this setter(s).

    Thanks to them, and thanks to PeterO too.

  50. Jayjay's avatar
    Jayjay

    I’m a refugee from the alas no more Independent Cryptic (sob) and enjoyed this best of all the Guardians I’ve done so far (all of four, starting on Monday). Good theme, excellent long anagram, loved the thievish magpie.
    I’m also picking up a lot of background info and the general feel of the thing from all these comments, so thanks for that! And thanks to Omnibus and PeterO

  51. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    Good to have you along Jayjay.

    James @36: re MHG, it’s all about promising the world to voters (and of course, usually delivering little).

  52. Sagittarius's avatar
    Sagittarius

    AlanC@51: I think that is a misleading definition. All politicians make promises. The Moral High Ground, traditionally occupied by the Liberal Democrats and Greens in the UK, is pledging to govern in a way many people would consider morally good, rather than resorting to the compromises that government usually requires. A slogan such as “We would never sell arms to a Middle Eastern dictatorship” takes the moral high ground, and appeals accordingly to some people (hence it provides some political capital). It doesn’t say much about the factories and workers that produce the arms, nor about the question of whether one dictator might be preferable to another, and the party espousing it probably does not expect Ito be in a position to implement the policy. If it does end up in government, things often end badly for it (see Lib Dem Coalition with Conservatives in 2010).

  53. Croc's avatar
    Croc

    the AVERAGE is not the usual – that is the Mode

  54. Saddler's avatar
    Saddler

    Valentine @41

    There is an oft repeated urban myth that the word NYLON is an acronym of NY (New York) + Lon(don).

  55. sheffield hatter's avatar
    sheffield hatter

    Sagittarius @52. Recent governments have tried to take the MORAL HIGH GROUND by taxing betting offices heavily, while ignoring online gambling where harm is less well controlled. How moral, or how high, is that?

  56. jon's avatar
    jon

    for outcrop i had group’s work as our op around tc( anagram of ct for court).

  57. sheffield hatter's avatar
    sheffield hatter

    Croc@53. There are several ways of assessing an average. The mode is one of them (the others being mean and median). As the mode is defined, both in maths and in fashion, as what occurs most often, the clue looks pretty accurate to me. (And to forstall arguments, “usual” is not an example of an average; it is an average.)

  58. sheffield hatter's avatar
    sheffield hatter

    Jon@56. Not many rock groups have opus numbers assigned to their works, so it’s a bit loose. 🤔

  59. jon's avatar
    jon

    @58,sheffield hatter, not sure what you mean by opus? i had the definition as exposed rock = outcrop. group’s work as our op around ct(court).

  60. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    I’m fairly sure that OP around court* was intended, though the other explanations work too.

  61. Jackie Wood's avatar
    Jackie Wood

    Since when was displayed synonymous with anagramed?

  62. Lord Jim's avatar
    Lord Jim

    I don’t think any comments have mentioned E H Carr in 24a — how often does he crop up in a crossword? A slightly controversial figure, but his book “What is History” is brilliant, especially the chapter on determinism. Which setters would think of him (if we’re trying to identify Omnibus)?


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  64. Croc's avatar
    Croc

    thanks Sheffield Hatter. I think whenevrer Average is used with numbers, it means Mean; but when it is used non-numerrically – an average guy – it means Mode.

  65. Blaise's avatar
    Blaise

    Sorry, Omnibus. I’ll take the tram next time.

  66. DaveEllison's avatar
    DaveEllison

    Croc at 64 There was a very protracted discussion on average following Maskerades Prize puzzle very recently

  67. Sagittarius's avatar
    Sagittarius

    SH@55: your question falls outside the remit of comments on a crossword blog! I was simply trying to illustrate how taking the moral high ground might offer political advantage, as mentioned in the clue and queried by James@36. But your example suggests that it is a much easier space to occupy for those who don’t actually have to decide or implement anything, but can criticise those who do.


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  69. James's avatar
    James

    AlanC @51 neither term means that. Don’t worry, it was a rhetorical question.

  70. Mig's avatar
    Mig

    Gave this one another day and was rewarded. Some delightfully mind-bending synonymns, like 10a CHART = “be hit”, 17a PERGOLA = “something to climb”, 19a GETHSEMANE = “Olive garden”, 1d “record” = HIGH, 6d “rather” = SOONER, 21d “Shock” = MOP

    Couldn’t parse 11/7/18 ACGOV, looking for “chef” = CHILD. Missed the brilliant anagram

    Other favourites, 12a RHONDDA (good surface), 23a OUTCROP (“criminal court”), 8d ITAS (funny)

    Thanks O and PeterO

  71. Etu's avatar
    Etu

    I don’t think that claiming the moral high ground is political capital, but doing something which entitles the party to it very much is.

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