Independent 12,411 by Longitude

Longitude provides this Saturday’s brain-teaser – this is the third Indy puzzle by this relatively new setter, and the first we have blogged.

We were slightly surprised to find this at the easier end of the Saturday puzzle spectrum, with several write-ins. There were some smooth surfaces as in previous puzzles but 17ac was rather clunky in our opinion.

As it is Saturday, we are wondering whether there might be a theme – if so, we have completely missed it.

 picture of the completed grid

ACROSS
1. Go to meet German girl somewhere for a little drink? (4,5)
SHOT GLASS

SHOT (go) G (German) LASS (girl)

6. On retirement, provided with very limited amount of money (5)
FIVER

A reversal (‘on retirement’) of IF (provided) + VERy missing the last letter (‘limited’)

9. Very loudly exercise in wood when it’s supposed to be quiet (3-4)
OFF-PEAK

FF (very loud) PE (exercise) in OAK (wood)

10. Recall failure of clumsy seaman to gather sails in the middle (7)
AMNESIA

An anagram (‘clumsy’) of SEAMAN round (‘gathering’) I (middle letter of sails)

11. Eccentric cheered men and met for drink (5,2,6)
CREME DE MENTHE

An anagram (‘eccentric’) of CHEERED MEN and MET

13. Northern Ireland border rejected Japanese wine (5)
MIRIN

A reversal (‘rejected’) of N I (Northern Ireland) RIM (border) – we’ve never come across this wine before

15. Propositions concerning trade union resolution (9)
OVERTURES

OVER (concerning) TU (Trade Union) RES (resolution)

17. Gardener employing Pole holding current degree – one earning a lot for the business (9)
RAINMAKER

We think this must be: RAKER (‘gardener employing pole’) round IN (current) MA (degree) – but, while a rake could be said to have a ‘pole’ as a handle, it is a bit tenuous. We first thought it might be: RAKER (‘gardener’) round (’employing’) N (North – ‘pole’) round (‘holding’) I (current) MA (degree) – but the inclusions are in the wrong order. Any thoughts?

19. Caffeinated drink livens setter (5)
PEPSI

PEPS (livens) I (setter)

21. Church in the morning: on top of that cathedral city views showing famous avenue (6,7)
CHAMPS ELYSEES

CH (church) AM (in the morning) PS (post-script – ‘on top of that’) ELY (cathedral city) SEES (views)

25. It fertilises egg at speed (7)
NITRATE

NIT (egg) RATE (speed)

26. Leaving hotel, warm welcome for jealous husband (7)
OTHELLO

hOT (warm) missing (‘leaving’) ‘h’ (hotel) HELLO (welcome)

27. Kind steps taken in hearing (5)
STYLE

A homophone (‘in hearing’) of STILE (‘steps’)

28. Sick pups cured and made better (7,2)
SPRUCED UP

An anagram (‘sick’) of PUPS CURED

DOWN
1. Measured from top of seam down (4)
SLOW

S (first letter – ‘top’ – of seam) LOW (down)

2. Chip installed in present PC? (7)
OFFICER

IC (integrated circuit – ‘chip’) in OFFER (present)

3. Ogre beginning to eat diver (5)
GREBE

Hidden (‘eaten by’) in oGRE BEginning

4. Losing runs is irritating with stone in footwear (5,4)
ANKLE SOCK

rANKLES (is irritating’) rOCK (stone) both missing (‘losing’) ‘r’ (runs)

5. Ride on board Ford Model T, splitting southeast (5)
SKATE

KA (‘Ford model’) T in (‘splitting’) SE (southeast)

6. Semi-finals leading to German upset – a nail-biting finish? (9)
FINGERTIP

FINals (3 out of 6 letters – ‘semi’) GER (German) TIP (upset)

7. Head guard smuggles note back for outsider (7)
VISITOR

VISOR (head guard) round (‘smuggling’) a reversal (‘back’) of TI (note – in sol-fa notation)

8. Gibberish I rephrased for audience (10)
READERSHIP

An anagram (‘gibberish’) of I REPHRASED

12. Diluted espressos since aroma is horrible (10)
AMERICANOS

An anagram (‘horrible’) of SINCE AROMA

14. Badge identifying North American politician in Europe (deceased) (9)
NAMEPLATE

NA (North America) MEP (‘politician in Europe’) LATE (deceased)

16. Yard party joined by other ranks after earl makes special entrance (5,4)
EARLY DOOR

Y (yard) DO (party) OR (other ranks) after EARL. We initially thought that this might be an unusual version of ‘early doors’ – which doesn’t fit the definition. However, apparently the ‘early door’ was a special entrance to a theatre or hall for those who had paid extra to get in ahead of the normal opening time.

18. Home at apartment, put on lady’s clothing, in a way not fitting (7)
INAPTLY

IN (home) APT (apartment) + LadY (first and last letters or ‘clothing’)

20. Ground water covering street beside lake beginning to drain (7)
PESTLED

PEE (‘water’) round (‘covering’) ST (street) L (lake) + D (first letter or ‘beginning’ to drain)

22. Paying equally, tucked into elevenses (5)
EVENS

Hidden (‘tucked into’) elEVENSes

23. Release A and press middle of stick in complicated cheat code (5)
ETHIC

An anagram (‘complicated’) of CHEaT missing (‘releasing’) ‘a’ round (‘pressing in’) I (middle letter of stick)

24. Form of tinned spaghetti that is rings covered in sauce (4)
HOOP

OO (rings) ‘covered’ in HP (sauce)

16 comments on “Independent 12,411 by Longitude”


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  2. Layman

    Thanks Longitude, and Bert&Joyce! I’ve no better idea on RAINMAKER, and had the same thoughts. Had difficulty with some other parsings, too. Never heard of HP sauce or MIRIN.

  3. sofamore

    I think it’s the second of your two explanations for RAINMAKER and I think the setter intends that ‘holding’ means the ‘i’ should precede the ‘n’.

  4. Hovis

    I parsed RAINMAKER as in blog. I don’t feel sofamore’s explanation quite works, especially with the placing of MA. I had to check the meanings of RAINMAKER, MIRIN & EARLY DOOR. I wasn’t sure about the definition for SKATE. I presume the verb for riding a skateboard is ‘to skateboard’ but I’m happy to be corrected.

  5. Gnomad

    I had the same parsing as sofamore, but yes not very satisfactory.

    Also thought having the full EARL in the clue for 16d and the answer also a bit clunky.

  6. Petert

    I liked the &littish HOOP and CHAMPS ELYSEES was nicely put together. I am with Sofamore on RAINMAKER, employing and holding indicating two different insertions, but I agree that it’s clumsy.

  7. Longitude

    Thanks for the blog, Bertandjoyce!

    Appreciate the discussion about RAINMAKER – I could of course weigh in with my opinion on what the setter intended but why spoil the debate? 🙂

  8. Bertandjoyce

    Thanks Longitude – we hope you drop in again a bit later in the day.

  9. KVa

    RAINMAKER
    I may be repeating what others said in different words. Bear with me.

    holding in the sense of stopping could lead to N holding/stopping IMA.
    Let me hazard another guess:
    N holding I and MA like holding hands.

  10. Undrell

    Well, I enjoyed this. I had more problem with accepting the definition of RAINMAKER, rather than the minutiae of the parsing, either way works for me (I’m with Longitude@7!). At least, it meant my initial entry of ENTRY for 16d, was proven wrong!
    “Leaving” in a clue always makes me question my sanity, and makes me think of “how many stupid people does it take.. ” jokes, but “jealous husband” was clearly enough. I feel, as a self confessed coffee snob, that 12d is a triple definition as “diluted espressos” are indeed both “horrible”, and “Americanos”, if you really need to name them. I had to look up MIRIN.
    Thanks Longitude and Bertandjoyce

  11. Layman

    KVa@9 – I think you nailed it: Pole-holding current degree i.e. I+MA holding N = INMA, and that “employed” by RAKER = gardener

  12. Digger

    There were a lot of excellent surfaces in this one. I really enjoyed it.

  13. ENBoll&

    Considering that RAINMAKER meant nothing to me in the sense of the definition, I can only see it as:
    “Gardener employing pole” : the classic is “hoer”, but “raker” is smarter.
    “Current”, usually I, but equally “in”, as Bryan Ferry had it.
    Degree:: surely, MA?

    RA [IN MA ] KER

    I had a few quibbles with a few clues, such as “warm” = “hot”, in 26(ac); but, like before, I’ll give Longitude some Latitude, because at the end of the day, it’s a cracking puzzle with some very original compiling.
    Thumbs up L and B&J

  14. James

    I was happy enough with RAKER being gardener employing pole, but didn’t notice that you might apply N to pole. Of the proposed variations, the only one that doesn’t have structural problems is the one in the blog, ie (IN MA) in RAKER. Layman @11’s ‘Pole-holding current degree’ works, but unfortunately that’s not what the clue says. And then you also have to take ’employing’ as ‘holding’, which it doesn’t mean.
    Good that the setter has left it open, and I hope they continue not to explain.
    Very good clues here, I particularly liked some of the simpler ones, HOOP and AMERICANOS and SHOT GLASS.

  15. Big Al

    An enjoyable solve which we won’t spoil the memory of by getting involved in the RAINMAKER debate. A couple of comments, though; in 8dn we weren’t sure if the anagram was of ‘gibberish I’ or ‘I rephrased’ until we got AMNESIA for 10ac. As for 24dn we thought it a bit &lit-ish except that tinned spaghetti hoops are usually in tomato sauce rather than HP sauce. Oh, and NHO the Japanese wine but it was clearly clued and easily confirmed in Chambers.
    Thanks, Longitude and B&J.

  16. Tony Santucci

    Thanks Longitude for the gentle Saturday morning entertainment. My top picks were CREME DE MENTHE, OVERTURES, PEPSI, READERSHIP, and INAPTLY. I missed the nho HOOP and thought the ‘is’ in ANKLE SOCK was inappropriate; a comma or dash would have been better IMO. I spotted a number of drinks throughout the grid but not enough to be a theme. Thanks B&J for the blog.
    Hovis @ 4: In the US, skateboarders are often called skaters and their activity is called skating. The American Heritage Dictionary endorses this. Maybe an American indicator might have made the clue more accurate.

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