Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,145 by Yank

Apologies for a delayed and slightly rushed blog. An interesting mix of clues today, and my favourites were 22ac, 23ac, 28ac, and 8dn. Thanks to Yank for the puzzle

ACROSS
1 BETA MALES
Sheep exist on Mexican food (4,5)
definition: “Sheep” suggesting followers rather than leaders

BE=”exist” + TAMALES=”Mexican food”

6 GROOM
Cake figurine, stable character (5)
definition refers to figurines of the groom and bride on a wedding cake

wordplay/second definition: a groom is also someone who can be found in a stable for horses i.e. a “stable character”

9 CANOE
Rickety ocean craft (5)
anagram/”Rickety” of (ocean)*
10 GAME POINT
Willing to end court situation (4,5)
definition refers to a GAME POINT situation on a tennis court

GAME=”Willing” (e.g. ‘are you game for trying X?’) + POINT=purpose=”end”

11 LOO
Where peers congregate for game of cards (3)
for first definition/wordplay: “peers” as in pee-ers, those who pee

second definition: LOO is the name of a card game

12 PERESTROIKA
Reform three-person group fronted by former Israeli PM (11)
TROIKA=a set of three=”three-person group”; with Shimon PERES (former Israeli PM) going in front
14 CARRY-ON
Dead animals reported in small bag? (5-2)
definition refers to ‘carry-on’ luggage e.g. smaller bags to take onto a plane cabin

sounds like (reported) ‘carrion’=”Dead animals”

15 NOT ONCE
For the moment, embracing holy book? Never! (3,4)
NONCE=”moment”, around OT (Old Testament, “holy book”)
16 CLAMOUR
Cry out quiet sort’s pronoun (7)
definition: CLAMOUR as a verb

CLAM=slang for a shy person=”quiet sort” + OUR=”pronoun”

19 BRISKET
Procedure for trimming most of keto meat (7)
BRIS=a circumcision ceremony=”Procedure for trimming” + most of KET-[o]
22 SPOILED BRAT
Spooner’s seafood dish for demanding type (7,4)
Spoonerism of ‘boiled sprat’ = “seafood dish”, as ‘sprat’ is a type of fish
23 TUG
Big jerk in western corporation (3)
reversal (going west, “western”) of GUT=”corporation” in the sense of belly fat
24 LAMEBRAIN
Flimsy undergarment stylish for dummy (9)
LAME=”Flimsy” (e.g. a lame/flimsy excuse) + BRA=”undergarment” + IN=popular=”stylish”
26 ADDLE
Befuddle some characters in retro field day (5)
hidden (“some characters”) in: [fi]-ELD DA-[y] reversed/”retro”
27 DECOY
Undercover cop, perhaps with retro-style ponytail (5)
DECO (Art Deco, “retro-style”); plus the last letter/”tail” of [pon]-Y
28 ROTTERDAM
Bastard! Butler’s expletive overheard in European city (9)
ROTTER=”Bastard” + DAM which sounds like (overheard) ‘damn’

‘damn’ is Rhett Butler’s expletive in Gone with the Wind – he famously says ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn’

DOWN
1 BUCOLIC
Rustic’s neverending malady: acute pain (7)
no ending letter (neverending) in BU-[g]=illness=”malady”; plus COLIC=”acute pain”
2 TANDOOR
Brown entrée in oven (7)
TAN=”Brown” + DOOR=entrée in the sense of ‘entrance’
3 MEET PAYROLL
Employ alert screwball to cover expenses (4,7)
anagram/”screwball” of (Employ alert)*
4 LEG IRON
One girl crazy for heavy metal band? (3,4)
definition: a band/ring made of metal that is heavy (rather than a music band that plays heavy metal)

anagram/”crazy” of (One girl)*

5 SIMPSON
Royal’s lover’s idiot offspring (7)
definition: “Royal’s lover” referring to Edward VIII and Wallis SIMPSON

SIMP=foolish person=”idiot” + SON=”offspring”

6 GAP
Something to mind in central Singapore (3)
definition refers to the phrase ‘mind the gap’

central letters from [Sin]-GAP-[ore]

7 OPINION
No limit? That’s what you think! (7)
O=zero=”No” + PINION=to confine=to “limit”
8 METHANE
Rancid hen meat gives you gas (7)
anagram/”Rancid” of (hen meat)*
13 RETAIL TRADE
Sale of merchandise I alter? (6,5)
in a crossword clue, RETAIL TRADE might indicate an anagram of RETAIL, giving “I alter”
16 CASTLED
Players took the van, protected in a way (7)
definition may refer to fortification in a castle, or castling in chess to protect the king

CAST of actors=”Players” + LED=”took the van” as in vanguard

17 ANOSMIC
Foul comedians (but not Gamble) not smelling so good? (7)
definition: loss of smell as a sense, not being able to smell well

anagram/”Foul” of (com ians)*, taking the letters of [com]-ED-[ians] minus ED for Ed Gamble the comedian

18 RED HAIR
Disturbed, harried Harry has this (3,4)
definition refers to Prince Harry’s red hair

anagram/”Disturbed” of (harried)*

19 BARONET
Titleholder held up sailor in vocal quartet? (7)
upward reversal (help up) of TENOR AB=able seaman who is a tenor=”sailor in vocal quartet”
20 KATYDID
Perry, accomplished in form of cricket? (7)
definition: the name of a type of cricket (the insects)

reference to KATY Perry the singer, plus DID=”accomplished”

21 TAG TEAM
Pair of wrestlers spray graffiti on several mules (3,4)
definition: in wrestling, a pair of wrestlers who may ‘tag in’ or ‘tag out’ to take turns in the ring

TAG=mark with a graffiti tag=”spray graffiti” + TEAM=set of animals harnessed together e.g. “several mules”

25 BAY
What wolf might do, seeing horse (3)
double definition: to bay like a wolf, or a bay horse that is reddish brown in colour

64 comments on “Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,145 by Yank”

  1. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    The setter’s sense of humour was immediately evident with the first two clues, BETA MALES and GROOM and continued throughout. Lots of ticks but my favourites were GAME POINT, PERESTROIKA, SPOILED BRAT, TUG, LAMEBRAIN, ROTTERDAM for GWTW, TANDOOR, SIMPSON, RETAIL TRADE and the amusing RED HAIR. Very ‘stylish’ indeed.

    Ta Yank & manehi, hope everything is OK.

  2. Nakamova's avatar
    Nakamova

    I hope all is okay manehi! I missed the pee-ers subtext and got delayed by putting in anosmia instead of anosmic. Otherwise a gentle puzzle. Thanks to Yank and manehi.

  3. Frankmale's avatar
    Frankmale

    Took me a while to get 20 down then remembered the cover for Steely Dan’s 1975 album.

  4. Dr. WhatsOn's avatar
    Dr. WhatsOn

    Generally, a nice, middle-of-the-road puzzle.

    For the clue to LOO, I would have thought “go” would be a better choice than “congregate”. It doesn’t hurt the surface and makes the cryptic definition less potentially icky.

    In CLAMOUR, the OUR is not, as far as I know/can tell, a pronoun (it doesn’t stand for a noun like “he” and “we” do). Chambers calls it an adjective, others say possessive determiner. (Though we should probably give Yank(s) a pass for not knowing English grammar too well!)

  5. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Thanks Yank and manehi (I hope your emergency wasn’t serious)
    Several usages I wasn’t familiar with – BRIS, SIMP, PINION for limit, TAG for graffiti.
    Not sure RETAIL TRADE works – “trade” is a pretty weak anagram indicator.
    I liked the “pee-ers”, but shouldn’t there be an indication that they are contracted to “peers”?
    Favourite KATYDID, though that usage is just American, I think.

  6. prospero's avatar
    prospero

    Finished but without parsing at least a dozen, so well done and thank you! Not surprised it was late …

  7. Lord Jim's avatar
    Lord Jim

    Entertaining, good variety of clues. Favourite LEG IRON, for the “heavy metal band” — very good.

    For BARONET I had half an idea that the held up sailor was a RONET (a male Ronette?). Your explanation is much better! (And I see that The Ronettes were actually a trio.)

    I hadn’t come across SIMP — Chambers says it is “esp N American” — it sounds rather offensive to me.

    Thanks Yank and manehi.

  8. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    muffin @5: I thought trade was fine, as in to exchange the letters as you would exchange goods for money.

  9. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    AlanC @8
    Have you ever seen trade used as an anagrind in a crossword? I haven’t.

  10. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    Lord Jim @7: I agree with you on SIMP, I think it’s short for simpleton and we used it as horrible kids in NI.
    Muffin @8: i don’t think I have but we get new ones all the time and far more stretched than TRADE.

  11. Martin's avatar
    Martin

    I found this quite difficult, but the solutions kept coming, and with a very high parse rate, I have no complaints. I thought I’d parsed it all, but I now see I hadn’t resolved the urinators in the LOO or taken the time to fully understand the Rhett Butler reference in ROTTERDAM.

    I’ll run with AlanC’s extensive list of good clues @1.
    I note with disappointment that I have failed to learn the genital mutilation term BRIS despite having commented on it when Yank last used it in June. I guess I’ll remember it this time.

    Thanks Yank and manehi.

  12. Srivats's avatar
    Srivats

    I liked this. Many were encouragingly easy and helped attack the harder ones. I loved the misdirect in “heavy metal band“. Admired the backward clue in RETAIL TRADE. Also liked the gentle smile throughout.

    Thanks Yank and manehi for a pleasant evening.

  13. ronald's avatar
    ronald

    Found this tough, particularly in the SW corner. LAME-BRA-IN did feel rather like fitting together three Lego bricks and then wondering what I had there. Have never come across ANOSMIC before, either. GROOM didn’t have me thinking about the top of wedding cakes, I’m afraid, though the stable reference was a clear pointer with crossers in place.
    However, as ever, enjoyed the challenge…

  14. Hovis's avatar
    Hovis

    muffin @9. You’ve obviously got a bad memory 🙂 Qaos used it 3 days ago in 11a.

  15. PostMark's avatar
    PostMark

    muffin@9: Believe it or not, ‘trade’ was used as an anagrind on Tuesday by Qaos!

    It’s also appeared in a DT: Flooded coastal area halts arms trade (4,5) = SALT MARSH and a Julius FT: Be employed in sex trade at the lowest price? (2-5) = EX-WORKS.

    Not my favourite anagrind but, as AlanC notes, we encounter new ones all the time.

    I see Hovis has faster fingers – but then I *was* typing a few more words.

  16. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Hovis @14
    Quite right! I hadn’t parsed that one, but see it now 🙂

    And PostMark

  17. Robi's avatar
    Robi

    Pleasant solve with one or two things I found difficult – BRIS, Butler’s expletive, PE-ERS. I liked the SPOILED BRAT’S seafood dish according to Spooner and the heavy metal band LEG IRON.

    Thanks Yank and manehi.

  18. Imaginary Cerebellum's avatar
    Imaginary Cerebellum

    Tougher end of the spectrum but filled with humour

    PERESTROIKA strikes again – at least I knew it this time, implying I’m actually learning something from doing these.

    BOILED SPRAT sounds utterly horrible, but then again so do spoiled brats…

  19. William's avatar
    William

    All filled in but several unparsed and needed Googling.

    Pick of the bunch goes to the excellent CARRY-ON.

    Top job unravelling these, manehi, many thanks.

  20. Tony Santucci's avatar
    Tony Santucci

    Thanks Yank for a most entertaining crossword that I found mostly straightforward. I didn’t see the clever ‘pee-ers’ in LOO and I didn’t understand ANOSMIC but all else made sense to me. Favourites included BETA MALES, CARRY-ON, SPOILED BRAT, TUG, LEG IRON, SIMPSON, and RED HAIR. Thanks manehi for the blog.

  21. grrrjames's avatar
    grrrjames

    Showing my age that I was looking for FRED with the Perry reference!

  22. Jacob's avatar
    Jacob

    A slow start but got there in the end, minus the parsing of 27a and the Rhett Butler reference in 28a.

    One thing still befuddles me, though: why is a TENOR in a vocal quartet in particular? Perhaps a more musically-minded poster can enlighten me.

  23. michelle's avatar
    michelle

    Tough puzzle.

    Thanks for explaining the Rhett Butler connection in 28ac.

    I couldn’t parse 27ac.

    New for me: SIMP = fool; MEET PAYROLL; ANOSMIC; BRIS = circumcision; TAG TEAM = pair of wrestlers.

    Favourite: SPOILED BRAT.

  24. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Jacob @22
    A typical vocal quartet (others are available) would be soprano, alto, tenor, bass.
    grrrjames @21
    Fred my first thought too. When I used to play tennis, all my shirts were Fred Perry Brand.

    [In Douglas Adams’s The meaning of Liff, he defines Ebbsworth as something very little, and has the original Rhett Butler line as “Frankly my dear I couldn’t give an Ebbsworth”, but the producers changed it!]

  25. MattS's avatar
    MattS

    Jacob @22 I took it that quartet is referencing the fact that tenor is one of the four standard voices in SATB choral music (the others being soprano, alto and bass).

  26. Lockjaw's avatar
    Lockjaw

    An enjoyable puzzle with the exception of MEET PAYROLL which seems weak as it’s not really a recognisable term.

  27. digbydavies's avatar
    digbydavies

    Wouldn’t a spoonerism of SPOILED BRAT be BROILED SPAT, or to put it another way would a spoonerism of BOILED SPRAT be SPROILED BAT? Or was the reverend not so picky?
    Anyway, lovely crossword.

  28. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    MattS @25 – It’s also one of the four voices in barbershop, the others being bass, baritone and lead, tenor being the highest

  29. phitonelly's avatar
    phitonelly

    DNF today as I had limp for the first part of 24a. I haven’t heard of LAMEBRAIN, or SIMP for a fool for that matter. My first thought for Perry was Como and I stupidly Googled comodid before the penny dropped. Liked LEG IRON and METHANE the best.
    Bit of a stuggle overall. Maybe lack of familiarity with the setter.
    Thanks, Yank and manehi. Hope the hiccough was sorted.

  30. RogerB's avatar
    RogerB

    Nho Ed Gamble, not well-known outside the UK, I’d guess. Other than that, a good set of clues and for once I was on the setter’s wavelength!

  31. urbanotterspotter's avatar
    urbanotterspotter

    No-one else saw Perry & cricket and tried desperately to fit in Ellyse? Which isn’t long enough let alone I already had 23 and 26 correctly….

  32. Protase's avatar
    Protase

    Interesting puzzle with a mix of British (Ed Gamble) and American (KATYDID) references and persons old and current. I’ll also go with AlanC’s list of favourites.

    I agree with Dr WhatsOn @4 that ‘our’ is not a pronoun (I prefer the modern term ‘posessive determiner’). If someone who sees is a seer, surely someone who pees is a peer, with only two Es, as Yank has clued it?

    digbydavies @27: Spoonerisms exchange whatever precedes the first vowel in the two words – boiled sprat to SPOILED BRAT is perfectly regular. Reading aloud, I once mangled ‘show snobbery’ into ‘snow shobbery’, which was embarrassing (but wouldn’t make a good clue).

    Thanks to Yank and manehi

  33. Henry's avatar
    Henry

    A very clever but challenging puzzle, neither gentle or middle of the road, except to the vainglorious. Absolutely no chance of parsing 19ac without consulting google and I now know much more about circumcision than necessary.

  34. Jeremy Kahn's avatar
    Jeremy Kahn

    With 24ac, I am impressed that Yank managed to get two ableist references into one clue. The word Dumb uses muteness as a metaphor for stupidity, and lame uses physical disability in the same way.

    I enjoyed the rest of the puzzle. Thanks to Yank and manehi.

  35. Lord Jim's avatar
    Lord Jim

    Protase @32: wouldn’t doing what you suggest (“exchange whatever precedes the first vowel in the two words”) give the results that digbydavies says @27? SPOILED BRAT would become broiled spat, and boiled sprat would become SPROILED BAT. But in fact Spoonerisms don’t follow rigid rules and are quite variable, as in “Kinkering Kongs their Titles Take” and “Someone is occupewing my pie”.

  36. Coloradan's avatar
    Coloradan

    Thanks Yank & manehi. Another here for whom AlanC pretty much says it all @1.
    [And, harking back to Monday’s Vulcan, wanted to wish Alan bon voyage on his upcoming trip to Graceland. This is Alison Krauss (with Jerry Douglas on Dobro) at a 2007 songwriters’ award ceremony for Paul Simon in D.C.]

  37. Crumble's avatar
    Crumble

    First post here, to mark another first: first time, in my late 60s I’ve finished every Guardian cryptic in a week. Childhood ambition achieved! Had trouble parsing one or two: eg Baronet.. and last ones in the bottom right corner seemed obvious once I’d got them.

  38. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    Coloradan @36: that is very kind.

    Crumble @37: congrats, it’s all downhill now.

  39. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    Crumble @ 37. Well done, and thank you for saying “bottom right” and not “south east”!

  40. Mig's avatar
    Mig

    I don’t think staring at this one any longer will help solve my last three: 11a LOO, 1d, BUCOLIC, and 17d ANOSMIC. DNF, but a decent puzzle

    2d TANDOOR, it helped that there was a recent 225 discussion about this

    6d GAP took me back to various visits to the UK. I can hear the voice and its particular cadence…

    I correctly guessed 19d BARONET, but couldn’t parse it. Not convinced

    24a, I agree with Jeremy Kahn@34 that that the terms “lame” and “dumb” are best avoided

    Chapeau Crumble@37

  41. Chardonneret's avatar
    Chardonneret

    Jeremy Khan@34 I would say that lame does not mean flimsy . I put in limpbrain instead, although is that less ablist or more? NHO lamebrain nor limpbrain.
    And where I come from the entire family were known by names prefixed by “our”
    – Our Kath, Our Jim…even the dog was Our Mo. Does that make our a pronoun?

  42. Balfour's avatar
    Balfour

    I’m very late to the feast today, so this may be seen by very few lingering contributors. Also, it is possible that I have shared this story before, so apologies to anyone who remembers it. It pertains to NONCE. Many years ago, I recall reading an exam script on Shakespeare in which the candidate was discussing the scene where Claudius conspires with Laertes to kill Hamlet by one means or another during their duel. Claudius tell Laertes:

    “… And that he calls for drink, I’ll have prepared him
    A chalice for the nonce, whereon but sipping,
    If he by chance escape your venom’d stuck,
    Our purpose may hold there.”

    The candidate expressed some perplexity as to why Claudius was referring to Hamlet as a nonce.

  43. Arthur_negas's avatar
    Arthur_negas

    I think there is some gossip hiding in that crossword!

  44. Tony Santucci's avatar
    Tony Santucci

    Jeremy Kahn @34, Mig @40: If we were to go down the road of finding simple words like ‘dumb’ and ‘lame’ to be offensive to the disabled then we must also include ‘stupid’ and ‘idiotic’ as offensive to the mentally challenged. In the same vein ‘drunk’ and ‘stoned’ are offensive when speaking about substance abuse disorders. Finally, ‘crazy’, ‘nuts’, ‘berserk’, ‘bananas’, ‘cuckoo’, ‘mad’, and ‘lunatic’ are offensive to those with psychiatric conditions. Stripping the language of every possibly ‘offensive’ word helps no one and makes for dull and boring speech.

  45. Odysseus's avatar
    Odysseus

    My progress was fairly slow but reasonably steady, with a lot of wry smiles; the SW remained empty for a long time. (22a was my eventual “entrée” there.) Mostly successful parsing, but I didn’t get “corporation” for _gut_ (insufficiently lateral thinking) or understand what the “Butler” was doing in ROTTERDAM until coming here. NHO Gamble but had deduced he must be an Ed, so looked him up for verification.

    I didn’t think of the right kind of “peers” at 11a until I had both crossers. (I agree it doesn’t want another E.)

    I too agree OUR isn’t a “pronoun”, but IIRC it was called a _pronominal adjective_ when I learned grammar, so pretty close. I also note that its third-person correspondences _his_, _her_, _their_, and the neologistic _hir_, _xyr_ &c. fall within the scope of _pronouns_ in the recent gender-identification sense, as in “My pronouns are ….” I don’t think of a CLAM as shy, just silent—as in the phrasal verb _to clam up_.

  46. Kingsley's avatar
    Kingsley

    Toni Santucci @44: I see your point, but nonetheless I did not enjoy finding SIMP and LAMEBRAIN. I feel neutrally about the words you list. I think it’s because I can’t imagine SIMP and LAMEBRAIN being used other than as offensive insults, whereas the ones you list have uses I don’t find offensive.
    I know other people will feel differently. I don’t think I’ll be attempting a Yank puzzle again, but others will make different choices.

  47. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Odysseus @45
    Surely people who pee are pee ers?

  48. Petert's avatar
    Petert

    I had a lamé bra for the flimsy undergarment, which was a bit over imaginative.

  49. Crispy's avatar
    Crispy

    Muffin @47 – Are people who see
    see-ers?

  50. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Crispy @49
    I don’t think seers is the same as see-ers.

  51. Hector's avatar
    Hector

    Petert@48: and at first I thought of a lace (or lacy) bra, and wondered whether the resulting word was an Americanism I hadn’t heard of.
    Chambers defines spoonerism as a transposition of initial sounds of spoken words, and gives as an example ‘shoving leopard’ for ‘loving shepherd’. Difficult to make that one work if you are limited to exchanging letters.
    Muffin@50: Chambers disagrees, but I don’t think that will persuade you.

  52. Morpheus's avatar
    Morpheus

    Not since “Spongebobs” (#24,938) have I had such a strong sense of entering an alternative crossword universe. I do admire many of Yank’s clues but, as they say, was not on his/her wavelength. I’m going to lie down now.

  53. Peter B's avatar
    Peter B

    Came very late to this, but thankfully a relatively easy solve, despite some being a bit out of the ordinary and a few Americanisms. Frankly, one of the nicest clued crosswords I’ve seen in a long time. Thanks very much Yank. A few excusable slips per the comments above. As mentioned frequently – OUR is not a pronoun (perhaps a pro-adjective or (pro-)genitive).

    btw – I parsed LAME BRA as “flimsy undergarment” as a whole, rather than LAME as flimsy – although it could well be: LAME excuse = FLIMSY excuse

  54. Peter B's avatar
    Peter B

    To clarify lame (with acute accent) bra

  55. Odysseus's avatar
    Odysseus

    Muffin @47, only when decomposed—as marked by your space (& hyphen @50). ISTM that dropping silent E before adding a suffix is pretty regular, even with a preceding vowel as in _vier_, _hoer_, _pursuer_ &c., so this seems like special pleading. Is it that you regard EE as indivisible here? Or that you don’t consider the second E to be silent?

  56. Protase's avatar
    Protase

    Lord Jim @ 35: You’re quite right. The only rule seems to be that the sounds in each word that are to be exchanged must be consecutive, and that no sounds are lost in the process.

  57. Etu's avatar
    Etu

    I think that I’ve said before – and sorry if it’s been repeated – but there’s at least one toilet in the House Of Lords with a “Peers only” sign on the door.

    I thought that this was very good, and if Yank really is a Septic, then the UK-only GK e.g. mind the GAP was commendable.

    Ta all.

  58. Cellomaniac's avatar
    Cellomaniac

    Re 19d BARONET, I too had difficulty with tenor as a vocal quartet. I immediately thought of SATB, but that refers normally to the range of singers in a choir, not a quartet. (Choirs can have any number of singers, including although not usually just four.) But Crispy@28 has the answer – tenor is one of the voices in a barbershop quartet.

    I think that Yank, as an American, shouldn’t be expected to flag Americanisms, and we should welcome the variety he brings to the Gaurdian puzzles.

  59. Etu's avatar
    Etu

    Apropos of not much, I thought that I’d mention that the German for stupid is “dumm” and for mute “stumm”.

    German has had a big, relatively recent influence on American, and I don’t think that the US use of “dumb” where we would say “daft” need suggest that they equate muteness with dimness. The derivation of the English usage on the other hand might be a cause for rather more reflection?

  60. sheffield hatter's avatar
    sheffield hatter

    I’ve been catching up after being away, and did Imogen and Pangakupu yesterday, though in reverse order, before tackling Yank and drawing an almost complete blank on first go through. “Gentle” (Nakamova@2 – ha ha very funny) was not the word that came to mind.

    I had no difficulty with ‘pronoun’ =OUR, and Chambers agrees, writing “possessive adj or properly pronoun. When did it become improper?

    I always struggle to get on Yank’s wavelength, so this took a while. Not knowing of Katy Perry or Ed Gamble didn’t help, but I did enjoy ‘sheep’ for BETA MALES and the very good Spoonerism, once the penny eventually dropped.

    Thanks to Yank and Manehi.

  61. Tom's avatar
    Tom

    Very late to the blog on this one, and sorry to be a misery, but this one crossed the quibble threshold for me. Am I being completely unreasonable?

    – 15a: shouldn’t it be ‘holy books’? I suppose you could buy the Old Testament as one volume, but probably not under that name?
    – 23a: why is it a *big* jerk? Doesn’t seem to add anything to the clue.
    – 27a: maybe I’m not familiar enough with undercover policing operations, but a decoy is something which draws the attention away while something more important happens. This seems like the opposite of what an undercover cop does?
    – 28a: why is it a *butler’s* expletive? Does the addition of “butler’s” change anything here?
    – 19a: is the idea here that the sailor has been added to the famous Three Tenors to make a quartet? If not, I suppose the quartet would have to be a barbershop quartet, without any indication, and either seems to me like a bit too much of a stretch!

  62. Tom's avatar
    Tom

    Ah, I was too hasty in pasting my rant from the Notes app on my phone and didn’t see that “butler’s” had been explained above! Thanks manehi.

  63. BazandCaz's avatar
    BazandCaz

    Very belatedly: we enjoyed this puzzle, despite sticking in a few places until we had enough crossers. My time in the US obviously helped. We were surprised that no one before Tom@61 complained about DECOY for undercover cop— we also thought that odd behaviour for an undercover cop!

    Agree with the concern about “dummy” and “lamebrain,” familiar respectively from UK and US sources—so not really explained away by Etu@5s observation about German “dumm” as an influence on American English. But that was illuminating anyway.

    Thanks Yank, and thanks Manehi for clear explanations.

  64. BazandCaz's avatar
    BazandCaz

    Edit: Etu@59’s comment

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