Independent 12,465 by Ringoe

The puzzle is available to solve online or download here.

 

Hi everyone.  On this setter’s previous appearance a month ago I predicted it wouldn’t be my last Ringoe puzzle, and here we are again!

Today I had problems in the NW, staring at a blank corner for what felt like an eternity.  It was only after I noticed the Easter egg that 1a fell, and from there the rest.  In case you didn’t spot it and want to have another look, I’ll wait until the bottom of the blog to reveal all.

My favourite clue was 23d, evoking letters to Santa.  It’s a bit early for this warning, but for those with young kids I do want to draw attention of the importance of letter order when addressing these – an unfortunate misplacing of the n could unleash fiery torment …

Thanks Ringo!

 

Definitions are underlined in the clues below.  In the explanations, most quoted indicators are in italics, specified [deletions] are in square brackets, and I’ve capitalised and emboldened letters which appear in the ANSWER.  For clarity, I omit most link words and some juxtaposition indicators.

 

Across
1a Brilliant goddess in wood (4-4)
FIVE-STAR — VESTA (goddess) in FIR (wood)
6a Slightly opening case from Hastings customs (6)
HABITS — A BIT (slightly) going into (opening) the outer letters of (case from) HastingS
9a & 28. A bigot rolled with rugger match in disorder (2,5,3,6)
AT SIXES AND SEVENS — A + SEXIST (bigot) reversed (rolled) + AND (with) + SEVENS (rugger match)
10a Italian poet losing heart in court (4)
DATE — DA[n]TE (Italian poet) losing the middle letter (heart)
11a Screen hero in Slough works (6)
BOGART — BOG (slough) + ART (works)
12a Cynical outlook reported in most recent epoch? (8)
HOLOCENE — Sounds like (… reported) HOLLOW (cynical) SCENE (outlook)
13a & 8. Why blame for Strictly row should be shared? (2,5,3,2,5)
IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO — A cryptic definition
16a Order parts for ordinary instrument (4)
OBOE — OBE (order) has an insertion of (parts for) O (ordinary)
17a See 27
19a Unique sort against an enemy turned King in with Duke (3,2,1,4)
ONE OF A KIND — ON (against) + reversed (… turned) A FOE (an enemy) + K (King) + IN + D (Duke)
22a Way through Scots mountains becomes wider (8)
BROADENS — ROAD (way) goes into (through) BENS (Scots mountains)
24a Quarters affected? Pitch tents (6)
ENCAMP — E N (quarters) + CAMP (affected)
26a Opponent pawns this occasionally (4)
ANTI — Regular letters of (… occasionally) pAwNs ThIs
27a & 17. Credit Blenheim for rearranging detailed figures? (5,5,4)
THREE BLIND MICE — An anagram of (… for rearranging) CREDIT BLENHEIM
28a See 9
29a Fish indeed chasing drunken Scots about (4-4)
FOUR-EYES — YES (indeed) after (chasing) FOU (drunken Scots – a Scottish word for drunk) and RE (about)
Down
2d Anthem: keen on it when rector enters (7)
INTROIT — INTO (keen on) plus IT on insertion of (when … enters) R (rector)
3d Woman cold in rising river (5)
ERICA — C (cold) in AIRE (river) going upwards (rising)
4d Dramatic effect in Goethe a treat (7)
THEATRE — The answer is in goeTHE A TREat
5d Succeed in getting runs singly (5)
REACH — R (runs) + EACH (singly)
6d Spanish nobleman concealed a large repair (7)
HIDALGO — HID (concealed) + A + L (large) + GO (repair. After the morning’s chores I shall head into town and repair to the pub)
7d Internal regulator’s lad checking D-Notice? (4,5)
BODY CLOCK — BOY (lad) surrounding (checking) D + CLOCK (notice)
8d See 13 Across
14d Poor emaciated in compound (9)
ACETAMIDE — An anagram of (poor) EMACIATED
15d Away from West for digital process? (3)
TOE — TO E (to East: away from West)
18d Near enough furious about nationalist’s introduction (2,5)
IN RANGE — IN RAGE (furious) around (about) Nationalist’s first letter (introduction)
19d Repose in old French art for Greek matricide (7)
ORESTES — REST (repose) in O (old) and ES (French art. Ah, setter, thou art using an olde crossword trick)
20d German woman holding seance regularly for US poet (7)
FRENEAU — FRAU (German woman) holding alternate letters of (… regularly) sEaNcE.  Philip Freneau
21d No explosive energy in runner (7)
NOMINEE — NO + MINE (explosive) + E (energy)
23d Something added to letters in sacks sent north (5)
SERIF — FIRES (sacks) written upwards (sent north)
25d Drop a little lower keeping length in mind (5)
CALVE — We are containing (keeping) L (length) in CAVE (mind – beware)

 

19 comments on “Independent 12,465 by Ringoe”

  1. PostMark's avatar
    PostMark

    Very enjoyable Saturday morning fun. SERIF, BODY CLOCK and clue of the day THREE BLIND MICE make my podium.

    Thanks both

    Your observations about what might or might not be last encounters are, sadly, quite timely Kitty. As I type this, posts are circulating on social media sharing what setters learned yesterday. That, unless the publication can be persuaded to change its mind, the last Independent crossword will appear on Halloween.

  2. Kitty's avatar
    Kitty

    Yes, I also heard about this yesterday, not good news at all. I will support any campaign to keep the Indy crossword alive.

  3. Petert's avatar
    Petert

    Goddesses are a bit like rivers, I never think of the right one first. A great crossword and blog and very sad to hear about the loss of the Independent crossword.

  4. Undrell's avatar
    Undrell

    Enjoyable crossword, altho I’m not sure I completely understood the four-eyed fish? I just stuck a semi-homophone of RAYS after FOU, and hoped for the best… Kitty’s parsing was a lot more elegant news… decent start to Saturday… thanks Kitty and Ringoe
    PS. What’s up regarding the continuation of the Indy!!?

  5. ENBoll&'s avatar
    ENBoll&

    Well, I came on to comment on a super crossword, with many smart clues, and a Nina which was just, number-based: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.
    ( which is the PIN to all my money/ and don’t bother, you’ll be in debt).
    Ringoe is, I think, a newish setter, and a jolly good one. 25(d), CALVE, is simply joyous.
    So, I am out of the loop on the future for the Indy crossword. It seems like everything good in life, is being cancelled, by bean-counters. Or AI.
    Is nothing sacred?
    Frankly, this has depressed me, so, enough said.
    Sad, but a great crossword and blog, and if others cannot see it, then, we are lost.

  6. Atrica's avatar
    Atrica

    Great puzzle, and an example of why if possible the Indy crossword should be rescued. Does anyone know how many people solve the puzzle each day? This would be quite helpful information.

  7. Sourdough's avatar
    Sourdough

    This was a super crossword, although FOUR EYES was a bung and shrug from crossers and indeed = yes – I’ve nho fou = drink nor of four eyes as fish.
    I can barely believe the news(?) of the Independent Crossword’s demise. Postmark@1 says it comes from ‘posts on social media’ – are they from feliable sources?
    Thanks to Ringoe and Kitty.

  8. Kitty's avatar
    Kitty

    Sourdough – yes, unfortunately. As PostMark says, the Indy setters were told yesterday.

  9. DP's avatar
    DP

    NomINEe, sort of has 9 in it, but I can’t spot 8 anywhere. Having seen the theme, it helped with a couple of solutions.
    Good fun!

  10. Ele's avatar
    Ele

    Dreadful news about the Indy crossword. Do we know what their reason is?

  11. Phi's avatar
    Phi

    The reason given is that there are too few hits on the website which, given it’s a web-only enterprise these days, is a credible criterion. You cannot use the line that while there are only n competition entries there are 100n active solvers here. Your active solvers are those accessing the web for the puzzle.

    Given that the other dailies are regularly producing additional dead-tree only puzzle material and have downloadable puzzle newsletters it does seem that this is a move not reflecting trends and demand. But the demand has to be demonstrated.

    Ideas are forming and more will be welcome.

  12. Hallow Brink's avatar
    Hallow Brink

    Thanks for the blog and puzzle, terrible news though.

    Surely the reason they don’t get many hits on the website is because the website version of the crossword really isn’t that good?

    The sole reason I pay for an Indy subscription is to do the crossword on their app.

    Would be interesting to see if the website got a bump in hits on Tuesday when the crossword was missing from the app, I resorted to it as B&J did and was reminded of why I pay the subscription!

  13. PeteHA3's avatar
    PeteHA3

    Hallow Brink, what does the app do that’s different?

    Bit of an academic question now as I won’t be subscribing if there’s no Cryptic. Just curious as I use the mobile website on a tablet and it seems fine.

    If the Indy has its knickers in a twist about their advertisers not getting enough exposure they’re wasting their time with me. I’m in Spain so I can’t buy from UK ads and am not interested in Spanish ads. I just mute them all and stare out the window for 30 seconds.

    Pete

  14. Balladeer's avatar
    Balladeer

    Great puzzle, as always – hidden behind an awful ad-ridden interface, as always. Especially on an Android phone, where sites tend to refresh when you navigate away from the tab more often than not, it’s frankly unbearable to have to sit through 30s of advert every time. The only way I manage to access these with the regularity I do is with strong adblockers.

    Sadly it feels like the old ploy: corporation mucks up service, people stop using service, corporation goes “see, people aren’t using it!” and closes service down. The Indie might not be a corporation itself but the sentiment still stands.

  15. Hallow Brink's avatar
    Hallow Brink

    Hi Pete @13,

    I don’t use it often online, but as Balladeer points out, I also have strong memories of things being hidden behind lots of ads, it being harder to navigate between entries and I think sometimes harder to read particularly long clues. I’m sure it also used to be that if you were away from the crossword for too long you still had to sit through more adverts to come back to it too. Not having to sit through that is more than reason enough for me to pay for a subscription. No crossword then no subscription for me either…

  16. PeteHA3's avatar
    PeteHA3

    Thanks for the info. Somehow I don’t get too many problems on the mobile website, but it does need reloading if I leave the page for too long.

    I’m always baffled by the lack of comments here compared to the Guardian puzzles. Maybe we could persuade the Guardian solvers to give the Indy puzzles some hits.

  17. ilippu's avatar
    ilippu

    I agree with comments re ads esp Balladeer@14.

    I swear I will never buy a product or service that is so in-your-face!

    I print it and solve it to avoid further agonies of doing it online.

    Also, I have pointed this out at least once before: the puzzle does not show if your device clock is not equal to London time or ahead.
    My US cell phone can’t see the puzzle until midnight local time even though it has been uploaded. I have another device that is set to a different time zone; I have to use that to get access.

    Why?

    FT and Gdn puzzles are accessible when uploaded no matter where you live.

    When you make it harder to access, people walk away. When Everyman moved, I was forced to create an account. Then they did something that made it harder to access (I don’t recall what). I have stopped doing Everyman.

  18. PeteHA3's avatar
    PeteHA3

    On the off chance you come back to this thread ilippu –

    Same here – gave up on Everyman when it left the Guardian.

    Is the FT cryptic subscription only and is it interactive online or a print it out puzzle?

    I started out years ago doing the paperback books of Telegraph cryptics, but no way am I giving that lot any money to access crosswords.

    Pete

  19. ilippu's avatar
    ilippu

    PeteHA3@18

    FT crossword is free. No subscription required.

    You can download pdf and print it, or solve online using your phone (without installing FT app). The online tool is pretty good. No ads etc.

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