Independent 7863/Crosophile

Crosophile has produced a very rare Wednesday crossword because Dac is having a well-earned rest, perhaps. I found this a little harder than the setter with whom I am always happiest, and no doubt the answers I am lost on will be explained, but there are still some very nice clues here.

Across
1 A MARY ‘LL IS — I couldn’t quite explain this and was looking up the strange word ‘llis’, but Chambers gives ‘ll for will
6 OP I U {ter}M — another abbreviation that you don’t often see in daily cryptics: i for i’ (= in)
9 U P RIGHT — &lit. I think, although an upright piano might well not be acceptable to some people — someone playing Beethoven’s Emperor Concerto at The Albert Hall would probably not find an upright piano acceptable
10 EXEMPTS — sorry, lost here: the definition is no doubt ‘grants immunity’ with ‘grants’ a verb, and the politician (= MP) is in there, but the rest of it … [Labour’s right to turn to politician for grants immunity]
11 TONGUES — ‘guest on’ with ton at the front, although I can’t satisfy myself about the equivalence of ‘ton’ and ‘weighty matter’ — can one produce two sentences where they are interchangeable?
13 IDENTICAL — again I’m not sure: it seems to be def ‘Like’ (= ‘alike’), then 1 then i/c in (dental), although ‘dental’ for ‘e.g. canine’ seems a bit tenuous — perhaps somewhere it says that a dental is a tooth, although it doesn’t in Chambers — or is ‘canine’ an adjective from the tooth sense? Not according to Chambers but perhaps somewhere. [Like one in charge of e.g. canine shelters]
15 SWEPT — (pews)rev. {dus}t — I was misled by the space after ‘dust’ into thinking the answer was something like ‘sheet’, for ‘dust sheet’, but I suppose it’s there for the surface, which otherwise wouldn’t mean much
16 VI CAR
19 SUGAR CANE — I’m not sure what the definition is here: presumably ‘cane’ is ‘supergrass?’ but it’s also a punishment; and what is the sweet? [Sweet punishment for supergrass?]
22 SHAMPOO — 2 defs, of shampoo and sham poo
23 PACKAGE — the age of a pack
25 I M(IT)ATE — ‘it’ is the object, not Italy, which comes at the front
26 RETREAT — ‘re’ = ‘on’ and ‘treat’ = ‘deal’
27 sprinG OR SEptember
28 STEEL-GRAY — (layer gets)*
 
Down
1 ‘AD ULT — ‘ad is had, as a London cabbie, who for the purposes of this crossword drops his aitches, would say, and ‘ult’ is the outdated formal way of referring to last month in an official letter
2 A{ccounts} R(RANG)E
3 YOGHURT — (hog)* in yurt
4 LOT(U)S — this produced forgetfulness in Greek mythology
5 SWEET FLAG — (left wages)* — not a plant I knew, but fairly obvious from the wordplay
6 ONENESS — (no sense)*
7 IMPROVE — sorry yet again: ‘vamp’ = ‘pro’ I think, and the def. is ‘to pick up’, but … [Vamp is out to pick up]
8 MIST LET {l}O{v}E{r}
13 IN VEST I N G — ‘in vest’ is ‘Not being shirty’, N = ‘noon’, G = ‘golf’
14 CUSTO({ca}MER{as})S — where is the centre of ‘cameras’? In this case it’s the middle three letters, but can it equally well be the middle one or the middle five?
17 C{est}LAVIE{im}R{ated} — a very clever clue where the letters of ‘estimated’ are removed
18 REP LACE
20 RECITAL — (clari{n}et)*
21 A MAT EUR{ope} — def ‘lay’
23 PUR(S)E — one is meant to read ‘coming in second’ as ‘with ‘second’ coming in’; yes, well; I suppose so, just about.
24 ENTRY — an entry is one that is in a competition, and if ‘entry’ gained ‘g’ then it could be ‘gentry’

19 comments on “Independent 7863/Crosophile”

  1. Thomas99's avatar
    Thomas99

    Thanks for the blog – not easy at all, was it?

    19a – I think “supergrass?” is the definition and sugar=sweet and cane=punishment.

    13a – not vastly different from you I think: Definition=”like one”, in charge=ic, “of e.g. canine” (adjctival indicated by “of”)=dental, which “shelters” ic.

  2. Eileen's avatar
    Eileen

    Thanks for the blog, john.

    In 10ac, the R[ight] of EXERTS [labours] is replaced by MP [politician].

    7dn is IMPROV[is]E

  3. Thomas99's avatar
    Thomas99

    Oops – one isn’t part of the definition in 13, as alreay pointed out in the blog – it’s “i”.

  4. Tokyo Colin's avatar
    Tokyo Colin

    I type slowly so I am sure all will be resolved before this arrives. But anyway…

    Thanks John, I needed your help to understand 1ac and 1dn.

    At 10ac, labours is exerts and with right (R) turned to politician (MP) we have exempts.
    At 11ac I think ton for weighty is OK but this is a very liberal anagrind IMHO.
    At 19ac I don’t know if any dictionary supports it but sugarcane is a very fast growing and productive plant so “super” grass is a reasonable description.
    Is it OK to spell “Gray” the US way with no indication. I am comfortable with both ( is that bi-spellual?), but would expect some hint here.
    At 7dn vamp is improvise which becomes improve with ‘is’ out.
    Thanks for trying to explain 14dn but how is Custos = The Guardian?

  5. Tokyo Colin's avatar
    Tokyo Colin

    Never mind the question re Custos. I googled it. I had recognised the connection to custody etc. but I find it strange that Latin is not considered a foreign language and so not requiring a qualifier for “guard”.

  6. Eileen's avatar
    Eileen

    Hi Tokyo Colin

    I did initially think CUSTOS was rather naughty but I see that it’s in Chambers as an ‘English’ word.

    [It was the pseudonym of the eminent compiler Alec Robins,
    http://bestforpuzzles.com/people/r.html for his crosswords in the Guardian.]

    I didn’t like ‘gray’, I’m afraid, but Chambers says, ‘grey or [esp N Am] gray’, so I suppose that excuses it.

  7. Cumbrian's avatar

    Thanks for the explanations. I also needed help with understanding 1a and AD in 1d (which would’ve been much easier if the clue had been Londoner, rather than London cabbie), and 14d. I wasn’t keen on the American spelling of GRAY in 28a, but wrote it in with an “oh well, I suppose it must be that” and a shrug, and 17d I only partially understood as for “not estimated” I simply removed “est” from C’est la vie, and couldn’t see how the ending “R” worked; a far more clever clue than I realised! 22a gave me the biggest groan, so makes it into my favourite clues of the day list. (Anyone else remember Ellisdons Mail Order Tricks and Jokes?)

  8. sidey's avatar
    sidey

    I’m a bit surprised that no one else thinks the comma in 23d is dodgy. Omit it and it is a rather good clue but as it appears it seems wrong, not simply misdirection.

  9. Allan_C's avatar
    Allan_C

    Thanks, all, for the discussions re 14d. i got the answer from the definition and checking letters but couldn’t parse it. I agree with others, too, about ‘gray’; if, for example, ‘honor’ or ‘liter’ turn up in wordplay or hidden in an answer there’s invariably a hint (not always too obvious) about the American spelling and imho the same should have applied here.

  10. Conrad Cork's avatar
    Conrad Cork

    Hello Cumbrian @ 7

    “Anyone else remember Ellisdons Mail Order Tricks and Jokes?”

    Sorry to say but I do.

  11. Pelham Barton's avatar
    Pelham Barton

    Thanks Crosophile for a crossword with a lot of good clues and John for the blog. Points that have not been settled above:

    9ac: I took this as a straight “three meanings” clue, but the wordplay given by John works, so I would now take it as U + P + RIGHT & lit in three meanings.

    12ac: I wrote in TREFOIL as the only word I could think of that fits, and an anagram of “litre of”. Chambers 2011 gives bacon-and-eggs n birdsfoot trefoil, which gives us the definition. Therefore “Lard” must be intended as the anagram indicator. It does not appear in the seven-and-a-half page list in the new Chambers, and the nearest meaning of lard that I can find is “to mix with anything”, which I do not think is good enough for a satisfactory anagram indicator. I am ready to be persuaded otherwise.

  12. Crosophile's avatar
    Crosophile

    Thanks, John, for the blog and thanks for all the other comments, which I genuinely find of great interest and help in gauging difficulty levels. Perhaps this one was a tad harder than I intended – I’m still struggling to get it right but I am trying, honest!
    I think most queries have been ironed out.
    A couple of points:
    28a. Chambers gives steel grey and steel gray equal prominence with no reference to Americanisms, and even under ‘grey/gray’ it only refers to gray as ‘especially’ rather than exclusively US, so I judged it unnecessary to further clutter up the clue with an America indicator. Since the A/E ambiguity was unchecked it occurred to me that an anagram would neatly avoid any doubt as to the right option.
    There is no anagrind in 11a. It’s simply GUES+T ON swapping to TON+GUES.
    Re 14d, as a solver I’d be happy with ‘cameras from centre’ being variously E or MER or AMERA – each seems equally valid to me – but I might be untypical in this, I don’t know, and I don’t want to set the solver’s teeth on edge.
    Sidey [#8]. I’m not sure I agree about the comma. I think withOUT the comma it would be incorrect, indicating the impossible ‘PURE in S’ rather than the intended ‘PURE, with S coming into it’. Hope that makes sense.
    re 12a and Lard as an anagrind, I’m sure I’ve seen this somewhere but can’t find it in a list of anagrinds. I had in mind the Chambers definition of to lard = to strew [= to scatter loosely] but concede it is arguable. I’d be sorry to find out, though, that there’s a word in the English language that CAN’T be used as an anagrind. 🙂
    Thanks again, everyone.

  13. flashling's avatar
    flashling

    Apologies late on parade – hey I’m on holiday! would have finished much faster if I hadden’t written 3d in 2d’s place. Re 11ac I thought that it was so clearly that, that I didn’t realise the above felt it confusing. Cheers Crosophile for a nice tricky but enjoyable puzzle.

  14. Bertandjoyce's avatar
    Bertandjoyce

    Just checked in to find out how we should have arrived at some of the answers! I (Joyce), checked lard in Chambers on the ipad as we’d never come across it as an anagrind before. The Shakesperean meaning of lard is ‘to be intimately mixed’! A bit like us really…….. although I think I’d object to being called lardy!
    Anyway, thanks to John and the rest of you for all the explanations and to Crosophile for another evening of head-scratching! What will Thursday bring?

  15. flashling's avatar
    flashling

    I saw lard as being like cross-channel swimmers when they are larded, it’s smothered all over the place and as such a fine a anagrind as you get, oh well.

  16. Uncle Yap's avatar

    One thought crossed my mind at 4Down. According to traditional Chinese herbage legend, gingko not lotus is supposed to improve one’s memory; and I forget what lotus is supposed to be good for 🙂

  17. Pelham Barton's avatar
    Pelham Barton

    Crosophile @12: Thanks for popping in. You have settled my doubts about “lard”. Taking up your challenge for a word that cannot be an anagram indicator, how about “unchanged”?

  18. Cumbrian's avatar

    Pelham Barton @17 – would Nuclear unchanged be UNCLEAR? It would require someone with far better skills than I have to hammer it into a clue.

  19. Pelham Barton's avatar
    Pelham Barton

    Cumbrian @18: No it would not, at least in my book. If you accept the legitimacy of splitting a clue word – which I do not – you could argue for “unde unchanged” to give NUDE. Even there, I would say that the anagram indicator is “changed” not “unchanged”.

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