Guardian 23,970/Rover

Rover has presented us with a good mix of clues, many of which use clever wordplay. I solved this crossword very quickly (less than five minutes), but didn’t always know at first reading why the answer I had put in was right. In at least one case, I’m still not sure that I have the right answer, but one of the advantages of writing a blog is that it forces you to think about the answers rather than blindly throwing in any old words, hoping that they are right.

ACROSS

1 – BREADWINNERS – not necessarily first home with the bacon, but it makes the clue read better, I suppose.

9 – AMNESIC – (I came)* holding N and S. Clue gives you the image of someone not knowing who they are.

11 – KAMPALA – KAM(PAL)A, Kama being a Hindu god of desire.

13 – NINTH – Hidden in “maN IN THe” – again you are presented with the image of someone sitting in the snug (a room in a pub, for non-British solvers), having his ninth pint, thus putting him “one over the eight” (i.e. drunk)

19 – SWARM – (w arms)*, where W=”with”

21 – IRELAND – composer referred to could be the British composer, John Ireland (1879-1962), but there may be other composers with that surname.

24 – TRAPEZE – 99% certain it’s the right answer, but not sure about the “hold-up” reference in the clue.

25 – ORGANZA – referring to the newspaper as an organ (means of communication of opinions) and ZA are the letters you’d see on a car from South Africa

DOWN

1 – BATSMAN – in cricket, if you are in, you are batting. God knows how people with no knowledge of cricket cope with British cryptics.

4 – IRAQI – I assume that this refers to Sunni, a follower of one of the two great branches of Islam (cf. Shi’ite). Although it is true that many Iraqis are Sunni Muslims, Sunnis don’t just live in Iraq, so I don’t think one should use this to clue IRAQI, especially as the “say” in the clue indicates the homophone, and can’t therefore also be used to indicate “for example”. A question mark might have helped, but personally I don’t like it.

7 – TALKING POINT – see my comment for 1dn. A fielder at point (a fielding position square of the batsamn on the off side) chatting away would certainly irritate a batsman.

10 – CHRISTMAS DAY – (starchy maids)*

17 – EWE LAMB – excellent clue. According to Chambers, a ewe lamb is not only a female lamb, but has also come to mean a treasured possession, and lambs should certainly be kept in the fold.

18 – DEADEYE – EYE is just one of the collective nouns for pheasants (others include nest, nid, nye, nide, bouquet, bevy, brood, bunch, harem, plump…)

20 – AVIGNON – The Pont d’Avignon (aka Le Pont Saint-Benezet) was the only crossing of the Rhone between the Papal enclave at Avignon and the rest of France during the Middle Ages.

7 comments on “Guardian 23,970/Rover”

  1. <![CDATA[ilancaron]]>'s avatar

    24A: i think if the trapeze artist doesn’t hold on to the trapeze (at the appropriate moment) she’s liable to fall down. made sense to me while i was solving.

    You’re SO right about non-Brits and cricket. I know enough by now that if you’re IN you’re batting. But I missed the TALKING POINT allusion. thanks!

  2. <![CDATA[BenIngton]]>'s avatar

    A nice puzzle with some excellent clues.

    I think that it is acceptable to think of Iraq as a ‘Sunni’ country given the majority are Sunni just as it is acceptable to think of India, for example, as a Hindu country despite having sizeable Muslim/Sikh/Buddhist minorities.

  3. <![CDATA[michod]]>'s avatar

    The majority are Shia, which is why they’re now running Iraq, and the Sunni minority who held sway under Saddam are unhappy about it. I thought it was a pretty dodgy clue in a very uneven puzzle. Some clues seemed barely cryptic, such as ‘I am always first’ for NUMBER ONE. But maybe it’s just sour grapes because AVIGNON, ORGANZA, SLEDGES and what I can only assume to be ELEGIES made the bottom right a no-go area for me.

  4. <![CDATA[loonapick]]>'s avatar

    I thought the clue for NUMBER ONE was OK, not spectacular I grant you, but OK, and AVIGNON, ORGANZA and SLEDGES were perfectly acceptable. Didn’t particularly like ELEGIES, but the checked letters made it obvious what the setter wanted put in.

  5. <![CDATA[BenIngton]]>'s avatar

    Yes, my mistake – it is the Shi’ite who are in the majority in Iraq, not the Sunni. That does make the clue ‘dodgy’ but I still enjoyed the puzzle.

    Can’t see what was objectionable about 23a – this was alluding to the poem “Elegy Written In A Country Churchyard” by Thomas Gray and having studied it many moons ago for English ‘O’ levels, I got the reference straightaway.

  6. <![CDATA[loonapick]]>'s avatar

    Yes, I got the reference, just didn’t think it was particularly clever or cryptic.

  7. <![CDATA[BenIngton]]>'s avatar

    If I hadn’t had to read it for ‘O’ Levels, I would have found it most cryptic! 🙂

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