Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,138 by Kite

An enjoyable solve – especially 9ac, 14ac, and 18ac. Thanks to Kite for the puzzle

ACROSS
1 NARRATE
Describe artist engaged in painting in Newcastle? (7)
RA (Royal Academician, “artist”), inside ART=”painting”; all inside NE

NE is used for Newcastle postcodes, or perhaps Newcastle leading to NE for North East (of England)

5 HARICOT
Henry’s business delivered foodstuff (7)
sounds like (“delivered”): ‘Harry Co.’ = Henry’s company=”Henry’s business”
9 TOP OF THE MORNING
Tam’s Irish greeting? (3,2,3,7)
“Tam” can be described as TOP OF THE i.e. top letter of T-[he], plus MORNING i.e. AM ante meridiem
10 CREEL
Third dance, perhaps it’s a trap (5)
definition: a fish trap

C=”Third” in a ranking after A and B; plus REEL=”dance”

11 CHILLIEST
Most cold sauce ingredients initially tasty (9)
CHILLIES=”sauce ingredients”, plus initial letter of T-[asty]
12 DEEPENING
Dictator’s letter writing that’s more intense (9)
sounds like (“Dictator’s” i.e. when dictated): ‘D’=”letter” + ‘penning’=”writing”
14 CLEAN
English family houses spotless (5)
E (English), housed inside CLAN=”family”
15 GATES
Entrepreneur Bill upset agribusiness, returned feeds (5)
definition refers to Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft

contained inside [up]-SET AG-[ribusiness] reversed/”returned”

“feeds” perhaps in the sense of ‘provides’, or perhaps ‘takes in’

16 PARSONAGE
Minister’s housing saint, pagan or English rogue (9)
anagram/”rogue” of (S pagan or E), with S for “saint” and E for “English”
18 ARTHRITIS
King out of uniform is welcoming sex that produces swelling and stiffness (9)
ARTH-U-R (as in King Arthur of legend), minus U (Uniform, NATO alphabet), plus IS (from surface); and around IT=”sex”
21 SHEDS
That woman detective takes off (5)
SHE=”That woman” + DS (Detective Sergeant)
22 GIVE THE GAME AWAY
Pass on Monopoly? (4,3,4,4)
definition: to share or pass on some information

to “Pass on Monopoly” could also be read as ‘to give the board game Monopoly to someone’ i.e. GIVE THE GAME AWAY

23 WASHOUT
State bay is a disappointment (7)
WA (Washington, US state) + SHOUT=to “bay”
24 SAMOYED
Short prophet after tip-off played with dog (7)
SAM (“Short” for Samuel, a prophet in the Bible); plus [t]-OYED=”played” with the first letter (“tip”) taken “off”
DOWN
1 NOTICED
Remarked such a cake is unprepared (7)
a cake that is NOT ICED has not been finished with icing
2 REPRESENTATIVES
Blessed priests venerate MPs maybe (15)
anagram of (priests venerate)*

for the anagram indicator, ‘bless’ can mean to wound, to damage

3 AWFULNESS
Terrible state of justice after beheading (9)
[L]-AWFULNESS=”state of justice”, beheaded with its top letter removed
4 ETHIC
Nietzsche’s final, brief broad principle (5)
final letter from [Nietzsch]-E, plus THIC-[k]=”broad” shortened/”brief”
5 HUMDINGER
Unusually large one, drone a US hit (9)
HUM=a “drone” sound; plus DINGER=slang for a home run in baseball=”US hit”
6 RURAL
Two rivers in the country (5)
two rivers: R (river) + URAL=the name of a river
7 CHINESE TAKEAWAY
Why eat anise cake confection in food parcel? (7,8)
anagram/”confection” of (Why eat anise cake)*
8 TIGHTEN
Eastern country unit reported to be tense (7)
sounds like (reported to be): ‘Thai ten’=”Eastern country unit”
13 IMPATIENT
Irritable setter’s one found in hospital (9)
I’M=the crossword setter is=”setter’s” + PATIENT=”one found in hospital”
14 CROSS-BEAM
Spanner from Ford and BMW not English, right? (5-4)
definition: a CROSS-BEAM extends across the ‘span’ of a building

CROSS=to “Ford” a stream; plus BEAM-[er]=a “BMW” car, minus E (English) and R (right)

15 GLASGOW
Immature girl wearing good, short dress in Northern city (7)
LAS-[s]=”girl”, not fully complete or developedi.e. “Immature”; inside/”wearing” G (good) + GOW-[n]=”short dress”
17 ESSAYED
Tested article by journalist (7)
ESSAY=”article” + ED (editor, “journalist”)
19 RETRO
Old, half-hearted rotter disgruntled (5)
anagram/”disgruntled” of (ro t er)*, with only half of the ‘heart’ or central letters of ro-tt-er
20 SCANS
Studies about investing in tins (5)
CA (circa, “about”), inside SNS=Sn (chemical symbol for tin), with an S added at the end=”tins”

49 comments on “Guardian Cryptic crossword No 30,138 by Kite”

  1. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    Interesting set of clues, which I appreciated more after revisiting. A few clunky surfaces, but I thought TOTM was neat and I also liked PARSONAGE, SAMOYED, NOTICED, REPRESENTATIVES, HUMDINGER, CHINESE TAKEAWAY and CROSS BEAM. I didn’t think DEEPENING worked as ‘Dictator’ seems to imply that the whole word is a homophone rather than just DEE.

    Ta Kite & manehi.

  2. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Thanks Kite and manehi
    Very slow start on the acrosses, but after a few downs went in it fell out nicely. TOTM favourite.
    SAM is a very short prophet!
    I don’t think 22a quite works.

  3. DadsLad's avatar
    DadsLad

    TOTM was indeed my Top of the Morning solve.
    Thanks to S&B

  4. michelle's avatar
    michelle

    Tricky and enjoyable.

    I could not parse 9ac, 24ac, 20d although I thought about CA = circa.

    New for me: CREEL although I probably came across it in past puzzles – it’s not a word that sticks in my brain!

  5. epop's avatar
    epop

    Only needed help with the parsing of haricot. Thanks

  6. epop's avatar
    epop

    Yes tricky and enjoyable. Only needed help parsing haricot. Thanks

  7. SimoninBxl's avatar
    SimoninBxl

    Nice crossword but not totally convinced by 8D TIGHTEN being synonymous with Tense ? Also needed all the crossers for 16A as I could not see past ST for Saint.

  8. KateE's avatar
    KateE

    8d particularly weak, among many other horrors, in my opinion.

  9. ronald's avatar
    ronald

    Yes, an enjoyable solve, though I got a general impression that there were several clues that required just the first letter of a “thing” to be included in their parsing. Perhaps I should qualify that more, but I’m in a bit of a rush for a GP’s appt…

  10. Billy Mills's avatar
    Billy Mills

    As an Irish person, can I just say that the only time we’d say ‘top of the morning’ is if we’re taking the piss out of other people’s stereotypes. So, it’s a bit disappointing to see it in the Graun as if it’s OK.

    Sorry if this comes across as being a bit over-sensitive.

  11. William's avatar
    William

    SimoninBxl @7: I wondered about that but Chambers has tense as the verb, “to subject to tension” so I reckon it’s OK.

  12. William's avatar
    William

    Nho dinger and didn’t think the monopoly clue works frightfully well. I don’t see anything implying letting a secret out. Anyone?

    Otherwise all reasonable.

  13. gladys's avatar
    gladys

    Some fun, some not. A nice bit of fission in TOP OF THE MORNING and a good (if rather obvious) anagram for CHINESE TAKEAWAY. I liked the NOT ICED cake but not the Thai Ten. Oddly, I solved WASHOUT by guessing the bay was the WASH, and only got the right parsing afterwards.

    I liked the neatly hidden definition for PARSONAGE, but isnt it getting rather close to the dreaded indirect anagram? And I’ve just discovered that I’ve been pronouncing HARICOT wrong all my life, which is why I couldn’t parse it.

  14. Mike's avatar
    Mike

    I filled in samoyed but got stuck on parsing because I took ‘s’ as short and AMO as prophet with tip off, so was wondering how YED could mean ‘played with’

  15. Protase's avatar
    Protase

    I concur with the first two sentences of gladys @13. Some nice constructions but some word salad surfaces. I liked TOTM (though the phrase itself is a tired cliche) but GTGA only works for me as a rather weak single CD.

    Three rather iffy sound-alikes in one puzzle seems excessive – and as two crossed with each other they were my LOI.

    But it was pleasant enough as a pastime.

    Thanks to Kite and manehi

  16. Mike's avatar
    Mike

    Re my comment at 14 above, just realised I’m not sure ‘s’ can stand for short, so I was confused there

  17. Imaginary Cerebellum's avatar
    Imaginary Cerebellum

    Sneaky homophones, and couldn’t parse SCANS (I was stuck on CANS for TINS, and couldn’t find the S).

  18. poc's avatar
    poc

    Billy Mills@10: Yes, I’ve never heard anyone say this other than ironically. On the other hand it is a well-known if stereotypical phrase, so I think it’s OK. Slightly jarring that Tam is a Scottish word (or name), but you can’t have everything.

  19. BigNorm's avatar
    BigNorm

    Not sure that 22A works at all, and how can TEN be a unit at 8D? NHO DINGER, but nothing else would fit. Quite liked 9A, although, as our Irish contributor suggests above, I’ve never actually heard anyone say it. A bit of a curate’s egg, IMO.

  20. Dropbear's avatar
    Dropbear

    William@12
    To pass on means to spread information, which then gives the game away, so all s8ts well with me

  21. bodycheetah's avatar
    bodycheetah

    A very rare zero ticks. I thought there were too many slack clues here. I’ve never seen beemer spelt with an A and HUMDINGER doesn’t mean large – at least according to Chambers

    Kite should go straight to jail and not collect £200 for the monopoly clue

    AC@1 don’t you need the soundalike to account for the single N in DEEPENING vs PENNING?

    Cheers M&K

  22. muffin's avatar
    muffin

    Mike @14
    An elderly acquaintance bought a new suit. On the label it said SP. He thought it meant “special”, but was very disappointed when it was explained it stood for “short and portly”.

  23. Miche's avatar
    Miche

    D-penning and Thai ten? No.
    Not convinced by “immature girl” for LAS[s].
    A cake that is not iced is not necessarily unfinished.
    Too much looseness for my liking.

  24. Calabar Bean's avatar
    Calabar Bean

    I needed a lot of help with the parsing today, so extra thanks to manehi. I found Tam delightfully neat, even if the greeting itself is outdated.

    Could someone help me understand why ten=unit?

    Thanks to Kite!

  25. Staticman1's avatar
    Staticman1

    Not as gnarly as Kite can be.

    I did have a stray w in my TOP OF THE MORNING clue but put it down to Teh Grauniad.

    SAMOYED caused me the most grief as I wanted the short prophet to be YODA.

    Thanks Kite and Manehi

  26. Clyde's avatar
    Clyde

    I often begin with the clues to five-letter answers, and I enjoy neat and poetic surfaces, so the clue for RURAL made a nice start.

    Unfortunately though, that was it for me. I found the rest of the crossword a bit of a slog. Good that some others enjoyed it though.

    “Tam” in 9a is very clever – thank you, manehi, for explaining it – though I take the point made by Billy Mills @10. However, the ? perhaps lets Kite off the hook.

  27. PeteHA3's avatar
    PeteHA3

    Seems I’m in a minority of one, but I found so much of this vague and inaccurate I gave up. Final straw was the Beamer. To me it’s a Beemer.

    Others – the Dinger 🤷‍♂️ (I’ve been watching highlights of the US Rounders and have never heard anyone refer to this), the one of any number of prophets, Harry Co,, Top of the morning (to be sure, to be sure 🤦‍♂️), the Monopoly, one of any number of ingredients in any number of sauces.

    Lucky I’ve still got the Indy to to. For now at least.

  28. DuncT's avatar
    DuncT

    I appear to have enjoyed this for all the reasons that some others didn’t. I guess one person’s ‘looseness’ is another’s misdirection (which I thought was the whole point of a cryptic).
    Thanks to Kite and manehi

  29. Nakamova's avatar
    Nakamova

    Calabar Bean @24 I thought the unit was “ton” rather than “ten”. It works just as well, since neither ton nor ten is an exact match for the “in” sound of the latter section of tighten. But maybe other folks pronounce it differently. 🙂

    I needed the parsing for NARRATE and the clever TAM. Thanks Kite and manehi.

  30. Ed's avatar
    Ed

    I’ve always disliked clues that say sounds like. Most of them don’t sound anything like that which they’re supposed to.
    22a isn’t a good clue

  31. Wolf's avatar
    Wolf

    Managed to complete it but struggled with some of the parsing, as per previous comments, and had to Google the dog breed. Still, always nice to see a full and correct grid.

  32. Jacob's avatar
    Jacob

    I used to have an Irish colleague and whenever we were on a meeting together, I would say “Top of the morning to you, Mary!” in a cheery faux-Irish accent and she would reply “And the rest of the day to yourself!” in her authentic one. All in good fun, though apologies to any Irish offended.

    Anyway, 9A went in right away, although it took me almost to the end for the penny to drop on the parsing.

  33. Bingy's avatar
    Bingy

    I’m with KateE. So many clues in need of an edit(or) it’s difficult to know where to start

  34. Kite's avatar
    Kite

    Many thanks to manehi for a super blog and to all commenters. TOP OF THE MORNING is in various dictionaries eg the ODE: Irish English used as a friendly morning greeting: top of the morning to you, Inspector. and Collins: A morning greeting, regarded as a characteristic utterance of Irish people, so apologies if it caused any offence. Collins has: Beemer or Beamer although Beemer seems to be preferred.

  35. Whibbo's avatar
    Whibbo

    Kite is pushing cruciverbalistic licence a bit too far in a good many of these clues. Not a pleasant solve for me.
    Thanks manehi for the parsing.

  36. AlanC's avatar
    AlanC

    bodycheetah @21: it wasn’t the spelling, my quibble is that DEE PENNING does not sound like DEEPENING, or maybe I’m being too picky.

  37. Bingy's avatar
    Bingy

    AlanC – no you’re not. If only the editor took a similar approach….

  38. Martin's avatar
    Martin

    Thanks for dropping by Kite @34. Good stuff, and that clue seemed reasonable to me, despite the cliché.

    I’m in the minority who found this difficult, partly because I forgot I had the great big anagram for CHINESE TAKEAWAY to sort out. I solved it all and parsed everything except TOTM, which I think I’d have been OK with if I’d remembered to revisit it.

    Thanks manehi.

  39. David Curtis's avatar
    David Curtis

    To answer some of the above:

    It’s Thai ton – I think that works

    The sound-alike for D-penning is clued by Dictator’s

    I’m not sure about 24. It looks like it should be S for short, AMO[s] for prophet after tip-off but then one is stuck with YED. I suppose it just about works as stated but does “played with” really clue TOYED? I would say it means toyed with, not toyed.

  40. Sourdough's avatar
    Sourdough

    Like Nakamova@29 I parsed 8d as homophone of Thai = Eastern country and ton = unit (of measurement of weight) which in my vocalisation is pretty much identical to how I pronounce TIGHTEN.

  41. fuddleduddy's avatar
    fuddleduddy

    I enjoyed this and none of the quibbles people have mentioned seemed to bother me.

    Gladys@13 I don’t think there’s an indirect anagram as the anagrist is all just listed with ‘rogue’ telling us to mix it up afterwards. An indirect anagram is when the anagrist isn’t directly present in the clue as I understand it. Rather you’re supposed to think of a synonym and then juggle about with that. Steering clear of that does seem to be one clearly understood and universally respected rule (when so much else is fluid especially in the Guardian where editorial control seems to be deliberately laxer than in some places – or maybe it just costs too much so they don’t bother).

  42. Sagittarius's avatar
    Sagittarius

    DC@39: you could substitute TOYED for PLAYED in the clue and get the same meaning; the ‘with’ attaches to each of them.

  43. Dave F's avatar
    Dave F

    Billy #10 if it offends an Irish person, I don’t think it’s for others to say it’s ok. I’ve never heard it said by an Irish person and instinctively have always thought it was a patronising stereotype.

  44. Calabar Bean's avatar
    Calabar Bean

    [Thanks Nakamova@29 et al, Thai ton fits well! But not in a million years I would pronounce this like tighten.

    Not a comment on the clue, but on the challenges of my hopelessly English-as-a-second-language accent 🙂 ]

  45. nanajennifer's avatar
    nanajennifer

    I don’t know what you’re all moaning about. I enjoyed it. Thanks Kite.

  46. Protase's avatar
    Protase

    I’m sure ‘Thai ton’ is what was intended as the sound-alike for TIGHTEN, but I pronounce the word as ˈtʰaɪ̯tn̩, with a vocalic n and not even a trace of a schwa 🙂

  47. Wellbeck's avatar
    Wellbeck

    Thanks for dropping by, Kite: it’s always instructive to hear the setter’s thinking. I’m sorry but, OED notwithstanding (& hooray for using that source) if I were to try greeting Irish friends with TOTM I’d probably get a smack for taking the piss…
    I’m another who had THAI TON and Beemer and I, too, tried to parse SAMOYED like Dave Curtis.
    I liked AWFULNESS and CLEAN.
    Thank you for the blog, manehi: my tea-stained copy had lotsa crossings out and semi parsed messes…

  48. Srivats's avatar
    Srivats

    This was interesting and somewhat easy for me. Didn’t know a few but looked them up. SAMOYED for instance. I guess my engagement with cryptics is somewhat like a walk in the park listening to birds. No compulsion to conquer!

    Thanks a lot Kite and manehi

  49. Ianw's avatar
    Ianw

    Didn’t take me long but… sorry. Weak. Poorly clued. ‘Dee Penning?’. Wouldn’t Henry’s company be ‘Harry’s Co’? 22A has no definition of the phrase in the clue. A few more but, whatever.

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