Comments on: Independent 6719 by Virgilius http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/ Never knowingly undersolved. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:00:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: nmsindy http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21680 nmsindy Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:34:35 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21680 Re Wil's point at 7, I'm not an expert on grammar as I said but the reference to grammar in the explanation was intended to distinguish that meaning of 'decline' from more common ones. I also looked in Chambers which told me 'particles' cannot be declined, which was something I did not know before yesterday... Re Wil’s point at 7, I’m not an expert on grammar as I said but the reference to grammar in the explanation was intended to distinguish that meaning of ‘decline’ from more common ones.

I also looked in Chambers which told me ‘particles’ cannot be declined, which was something I did not know before yesterday…

]]> By: Paul B http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21621 Paul B Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:11:58 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21621 Er, shurely we are talking about a function word, esp (in certain languages) a word belonging to an uninflected class having suprasegmental or grammatical function. Even I knew that (after looking at the definition in Collins). And Virgil would have us believe that no declension is possible in the case of such a beast. I guess - since this is a double def and also a plural - we're probably after ARTICLE. Er, shurely we are talking about a function word, esp (in certain languages) a word belonging to an uninflected class having suprasegmental or grammatical function.

Even I knew that (after looking at the definition in Collins). And Virgil would have us believe that no declension is possible in the case of such a beast. I guess - since this is a double def and also a plural - we’re probably after ARTICLE.

]]> By: Wil Ransome http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21604 Wil Ransome Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:03:18 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21604 Whether the part of speech is PARTICLE or ARTICLE, I still don't understand the clue for 24ac. We are told '‘declines’ refers to grammar', but that doesn't help me. Presumably so obvious that nmsindy saw no reason to say more, but ... It could be NOUN rather than PRONOUN. Whether the part of speech is PARTICLE or ARTICLE, I still don’t understand the clue for 24ac. We are told ‘‘declines’ refers to grammar’, but that doesn’t help me. Presumably so obvious that nmsindy saw no reason to say more, but …

It could be NOUN rather than PRONOUN.

]]> By: Testy http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21577 Testy Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:52:21 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21577 Although they are both parts of speech, since all the others are hidden (apart from the main "parts of speech" one) I suspect that ARTICLE that was the one we were supposed to try and spot. Although they are both parts of speech, since all the others are hidden (apart from the main “parts of speech” one) I suspect that ARTICLE that was the one we were supposed to try and spot.

]]> By: Chris http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21559 Chris Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:26:00 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21559 Yes, you're right - apologies. But yeah - either of them works. Yes, you’re right - apologies. But yeah - either of them works.

]]> By: nmsindy http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21549 nmsindy Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:41 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21549 Not really an expert on grammar, but I think it may be PARTICLE all right (an indeclinable word such as a preposition) which is referred to in the clue. Or maybe either would do... Not really an expert on grammar, but I think it may be PARTICLE all right (an indeclinable word such as a preposition) which is referred to in the clue. Or maybe either would do…

]]> By: Chris http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21545 Chris Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:12:34 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21545 Just to be pedantic, "article" is the part of speech that's referenced - not "particle". Just to be pedantic, “article” is the part of speech that’s referenced - not “particle”.

]]> By: Mick H http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21520 Mick H Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:03 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21520 Indeed. 15ac was one of the last I got, at which point I saw that not all of the clue referred to its own answer, and started looking for the theme, which was by no means obvious. I read 23 down as a cryptic definition, limbo being a stage on the body's descent into the underworld. But then, I suppose it's the soul that makes that journey, so maybe you're right! Indeed. 15ac was one of the last I got, at which point I saw that not all of the clue referred to its own answer, and started looking for the theme, which was by no means obvious.
I read 23 down as a cryptic definition, limbo being a stage on the body’s descent into the underworld. But then, I suppose it’s the soul that makes that journey, so maybe you’re right!

]]> By: Paul B http://fifteensquared.net/2008/04/29/independent-6719-by-virgilius/#comment-21518 Paul B Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:41:26 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/?p=1485#comment-21518 Brilliant. Brilliant.

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